2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes anyone know of a good op-ed or post that talks about just how monstrous Trump's deportation
plan for immigrants is?
I know we shouldn't take it too seriously because it's so insane and ridiculous, but it's also just simply evil.
I know he has many many things that disqualified him from the presidency, and just in general, he's horrible. But the deportation plan, of rounding up millions of people in a few hours, RIGHT AFTER HE TAKES OFFICE, is just extremely disturbing.
The media needs to call him out on this Nazi-like EVIL NOW.
So where is the outcry? Surely there has been some???
FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)Trumps plan portends great civil strife, economic devastation and the imposition of a police state.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-mass-deportation-machine-would-create-american-police-state-equal-nazi-germany
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But I don't think anyone has done a comprehensive report about how Trump is literally Hitler with his deportation force.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)The media need to stop acting like he's normal or just a joke and deal with the horrible reality of what he has proposed.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)but I have been thinking what it would be like
The undocs, have a house, a job, US born children.
You uproot mom & dad, they lose their house & jobs, the US children are sent to a country foreign to them.
The maggot's great plan will let them back in, (they are the good ones). Now the parents have no job, no home & have to start over.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)policies or principles, just rallies and speeches, which can change at anytime which is what we've been witnessing the past couple of weeks.
With the shakeup within his campaign staff a few weeks ago, began the talk of 'softening' his stance on immigration in recognition that he was losing all hopes of defeating Clinton if he couldn't garner new Hispanic votes. So talk of the pivot began. But during his much anticipated "Immigration Policy Speech" on Wednesday, he threw thought of a pivot out the window. Fool the media once, shame on you. Fool them twice, it'll never happen. The Hispanics surrogates he had managed to muster are now abandoning him in droves.
So regardless of what Trumps policies are; he would never be able to implement any of them without funding from Congress. Congress is not going to allocate $25 billion for a big wall, a beautiful wall, a YYYYuuuggggeeee wall to keep illegal immigrants out because their billionaire contributors and sponsors depend on a cheap labor base.
Congress is not going to appropriate billions and billions of dollars to round up and deport 11 million illegal aliens when the net migration rate between the US and Mexico is zero. Each person targeted for deportation would be entitled to a hearing before they were deported, and that would take lot of new border guards and detention personnel, detention centers built, and years of detention and feeding, warehousing, and providing care for immigrants prior to deportation at a cost that would easily creep into the 100s of billions or even 10s of trillions of dollars. We don't have that kind of money laying around gathering dust, and Paul Ryan is not going to increase the national debt on the whims of a lunatic. In spite of the fears being raised by Trump, illegal aliens are not murdering people on the streets of America in the numbers that Trump would have us believe.
Congress is also not going to repeal NAFTA because trade has been good for American Businesses who are the donor blood of the Congress. This is not what their base wants to hear, but the Congressmen and women know this. They are not as dumb as their base is. Yes, NAFTA has produced some winners and some losers on a state by state basis, but Congress is not going to repeal NAFTA and take from one state because it's likely a RED State they would have to be taking from.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and that should be pointed out by the media, IMHO.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And would not be rounding up millions of people if he took office.
It's all for show.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)the point is not that his plans are unrealistic (which they are), my point is we need to YELL about how simply horrible his ideas are. We don't even need exaggeration.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is obviously a receptive audience for the sort of thing he is proposing, scary as that is.
The question is, how many such people are there in this country (in particular, the swing states)?
HRC is going to win by huge margins among non-whites, so I think Trump is trying to drive up margins among whites, especially poor and less educated ones.
Many of these folks have feelings about immigrants, particularly immigrants from Mexico, that we would find disturbing.
Remember, about half of Americans support the idea of building a physical barrier along the entire Mexico-US border (including 40 percent of Democrats).
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I really find it hard to believe every Trump supporter is down with a massive Nazi-like purge of illegal immigrants.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Clearly, there are some whites that do know what they are voting for, and are in fact voting for him for that reason.
This is Monmouth University poll question from a month ago:
"Do you feel your own personal way of life is or is not under threat from illegal immigrants from Mexico?"
51 percent of Republicans answered yes, that their way of life was under threat.
And then there is this question asked in May by ABC News/Washington Post:
"In general, do you think undocumented immigrants in the United States should be allowed to stay or should be deported back to their native countries?"
44 percent of all respondents said that they should be deported.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but I doubt many have thought about it in practical terms as in this article:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trumps-mass-deportation-machine-would-create-american-police-state-equal-nazi-germany