2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLooking for comments before I post this where my Republican friends will see it...
It seems to me that this should be in some sort of a blog, but I dont have a blog, so here it is:
I often do appearances as Abraham Lincoln. When I portray President Lincoln, I try to keep modern politics entirely out of it. I usually respond with I have been out of politics for 150 years, and I think Ill stay retired whenever someone asks me what I think of a particular modern political topic. But Trump said something last night that hit a nerve, and I feel like I have to respond.
Speaking at a Black church in Detroit last night, Trump was not attempting to sway Black voters. He was clearly attempting to ease the consciences of White voters who are trying hard to not believe that Trump is racist.
He said: "A lot of people don't realize that Abraham Lincoln the great Abraham Lincoln was a Republican," Trump said. "It is on his legacy that I hope to build the future of the party."
As one who studies a lot about President Lincoln, this made me throw up a little bit in my mouth. IMHO Donald Trump is far removed from Abraham Lincoln in every way I can think of:
Abraham Lincoln famously appointed his bitterest rivals to his cabinet. He understood that he could make the best decisions by listening to opposing viewpoints as well as his own, and THEN making his decision based on his best judgment. Trump famously fires (Youre Fired!) anyone who disagrees with him. He clearly expects everyone around him to be a sycophant. This is why he has had three (at least) people leading his campaign committee.
Even Lincoln was known to shade the truth a little from time to time, as every President has. I have noted before that Lincoln said, when running against Douglas, that I have never said publicly that I believe that the races should be treated equally (paraphrased), if you read it carefully, he isnt saying that he currently believes the races shouldnt be treated equally, but that is clearly what he is trying to convey. But Trump clearly has no relationship with the real world. He makes up facts faster than the fact-checkers can debunk them. Over 90% of the statements by Trump have been found to be Mostly False, False, or Pants on Fire. Lincoln once told a student If you cant be an honest lawyer, be an honest something else. Telling people that more police are being killed than ever before is not only demonstrably false, the fact is that police are less likely to be killed on the job than at any time in the last 30 years. The same holds for his assertion that Muslims are allowed to immigrate without being fully vetted (utter hogwash) and countless other similar assertions he makes every day.
And while Trump is famous for his thin skin and belittling everyone who disagrees with him, referring to Crooked Hillary (Who is he, awaiting trial for racketeering and fraud, to call anyone crooked?), and calling Rosie ODonnell ugly for disagreeing with him (Where does he get off calling anyone else ugly?), Lincoln was famous for respecting his rivals adversaries. I dont recall a single instance after his near-duel with James Shields (after which they became friends) when Lincoln resorted to name-calling. Whenever someone calls out Trump on one of his many lies, his response is ALWAYS Hes a bad journalist or Her ratings are lousy, or famously She has blood coming out of her wherever. It is never ever an actual defense of the lie.
Trumps policies seem to closely match the Know-Nothing party of Lincolns time, which closely matches the KKK and other white supremacist organizations of today, who seem to unanimously endorse Trump. Lincoln said I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be?
Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we begin by declaring that all men are created equal. We now practically read it all men are created equal, except negroes. When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics. When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty-to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.
Rather interesting, given Trumps ties to Russian investors.
Trumps comparisons of himself to Lincoln are deeply offensive to me.
End of rant. For now.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)but you know that t-rumps bigoted and racist followers will never believe it.
librarylu
(503 posts)Of course there's this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8319858/Abraham-Lincoln-wanted-to-deport-slaves-to-new-colonies.html
Maybe Mr. Trump is comparing himself to Mr. Lincoln in this way and thinks it's something that should be "looked into".
Honest_Abe
(155 posts)He listened to Frederick Douglass and realized the error. He admitted his mistakes (another think Trump has never done.)
librarylu
(503 posts)Was equality even an idea at the time except among the wild-eyed abolitionists?
Given the "differences" and the "hostile attitude" of the whites Lincoln favored colonisation and/or sending the slaves to Liberia: better for us both, therefore, to be separated. That was in 1862. Andrew Jackson apparently thought he was protecting southeastern native people by "deporting" them to the west. More recently there were the camps for Japanese/Americans in WWll, supposedly for their own protection. Now Trump wants a wall and the deportation of a mere 11 million or so people for our own protection. Lots of evil gets done in the name of good.
I just hope Trump doesn't promise to bring back segregation. That might give him a bump.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Oh, really? I've known it practically from the time I could read!!
Wonder who he's talking about.
Thanks for your rant!!
sarae
(3,284 posts)you know, right around the time he found out that Lincoln was a Republican.
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vlyons
(10,252 posts)They more than deserve some come-uppance
0rganism
(23,955 posts)the taproot of Nixon's "Southern Strategy" was slurping the ex-Dixiecrats into the Republican party after Democratic president LBJ signed various civil rights legislation into law.
it worked.
in 1980, Reagan expanded the strategy when he brought in the evangelicals and found a message that unified interests of the rich MIC controllers with fundamentalist Christianity with racism.
it worked.
the Republican party has changed much in the last 50 years, let alone since Lincoln's time. in fairness, so has the Democratic party.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)Don't Know Shit Syndrome.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)"But every thing Hillary says is a lie."
But Hillary is a crook."
But Hillary is brain damaged and is dying."
Benghazi, Clinton Foundation is a Clinton slush fund, Bill is a rapist, etc.
That's all you'll generate from any republican friends who are brain washed low IQ Trump fans.
Now, if you have some republican friends who don't like Trump and don't believe his bullshit, your op might generate some intelligent discussion. Best of luck to you. I don't know your friends, but I have plenty of republicans friends I would like to stay friends with and I have been avoiding discussing politics with them or avoiding them all together.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)"this made me throw up a little bit in my mouth" is rather grade-school stuff. Update for adult tone.
longship
(40,416 posts)It is a meme that I have never understood how it even became a meme.
It is more than childish. It is simple.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Honest_Abe
(155 posts)I have adjusted to "made me sick".
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)(Paraphrased): In my life, I have destroyed many of my enemies - I made them my friends.
Of course, Trump would proudly end that quote just before the hyphen, and then smirk with great satisfaction.
Pakid
(478 posts)Why? Every Republican I knew quite being friends with me when I put the first Obama sign in my yard in 2008 who needs them!!!
I have a Republican friend who is male, married to his (black) husband, and he remains a member of the Republican party. I can't figure out why, but I like the guy anyway.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Slogans of three to five words in length are optimal.
Up to seven words are acceptable if at least three of them are highly emotionally charged.
Full paragraphs are strongly discouraged. Their eyes will glaze over when confronted by a block of more than 12 or 14 words.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)It is impossible to convince an ignorant person of anything I am afraid to say.
Good luck though you might get throught to someone inbetween.
-Airpalne
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)To your exclusion list.
Honest_Abe
(155 posts)Could you clarify?
For the record, Lincoln lost one of his earliest elections because he said that some women should be given the right to vote.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)"When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics."
I'd add women to that list.
Honest_Abe
(155 posts)There are others who should also be added. But I was quoting Lincoln.
Good rant.