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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 04:15 AM Sep 2016

I've been hearing a lot about how debate moderators and interviewers should slam Trump...

for his nonstop bullshitting. But, I'm not sure they are entirely to blame.

For one thing, who decides just which alleged lies to jump on? Interviewing is not easy, and it's tough to get someone like Trump to stay on topic. I've heard some really good interviewers over the years just give up with him. So, do we double the length of the interview (a real problem with TV schedules) to fact check, or just keep asking the same question until he answers?

Politicians have known for years that when you get hit with a tough question, just answer a different one. Ed Koch was a master at this, and if you listen closely, the present Senate is full of them, too. Trump is actually pretty crude at this, which is why we notice. He makes up for lack of skill by just talking forever. He also tends to do it a lot more than everyone else because EVERY question is a tough one for him.

Part of the problem is that we do have our own responsibilities to be able to parse out the bullshit in political talk. It's not just Trump, it's everyone running. Then, I've noticed a lot of "I caught the bullshit, but others might not." Well, that might be true sometimes, but if it is, just who is responsible for educating those ignorant masses who don't catch on as fast as us politically savvy types? It is a problem with the human condition that we are all suckers for the hard sell.

As far as moderators go-- their job is not to fact check except possibly the most egregious errors. Their job is to keep the discussion going and it's the participants who should be watching out for errors and bullshit. And if there's any post-debate discussion, that's where the egregious mistakes should be mentioned by the press. Most of the time we disagree with Trump, it's over some idiotic opinion of his or some bold, unsupported statement which can't really be fact checked anyway,





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I've been hearing a lot about how debate moderators and interviewers should slam Trump... (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Sep 2016 OP
Strawman. Slam? Who asked for that? molova Sep 2016 #1
Letting a candidate blatantly lie when you know the facts is debate rigging BlueStateLib Sep 2016 #2
Easy. You don't give up. You keep pointing out that they're not answering the question. stopbush Sep 2016 #3
Just him saying 3 different plans for isis duncang Sep 2016 #4
But then a 4th plan was to "take the oil" BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #8
Absolutely incorrect Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #5
I would love to see Trump in a setting where, after lying about his support of the Iraq war, Vinca Sep 2016 #6
Watch a BBC interview to see real journalism. Nt July Sep 2016 #7
 

molova

(543 posts)
1. Strawman. Slam? Who asked for that?
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 04:33 AM
Sep 2016

It is up to your readers to say, one by one... whether any of us called a debate moderator to "slam" Donald Trump. I sure didn't. I haven't seen anyone do it.

Is slam synonym to challenging or fact-checking? If so, explain.

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
2. Letting a candidate blatantly lie when you know the facts is debate rigging
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 05:18 AM
Sep 2016

You cant let a candidate blatantly lie when you know the facts.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
3. Easy. You don't give up. You keep pointing out that they're not answering the question.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 06:20 AM
Sep 2016

Perfect example tonight was the question about Trump's 2013 tweet where he clearly said that the reason there was a problem with rape was that men and women has been put together in the military. "what did they expect?" was his stupid observation.

Lauer allowed Trump to answer by saying we should have zero tolerance for rape in the military. In fact, Trump's surrogates all offered this same non-answer post-town hall. It was left to Van Jones on CNN to point out that the question was about Trump's assertion that putting men and women together in a work situation means that men are just going to start raping the women. It had nothing to do with zero tolerance or prosecuting offenders. THAT was the question Lauer should have insisted on Trump answering, rather than letting him change the subject. How hard is that to do? He didn't even try.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
4. Just him saying 3 different plans for isis
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 06:58 AM
Sep 2016

Within about 3 sentences should have at least gotten a what are you talking about. And that doesn't take any fact checking. He said that directly to Matt right then. Just to refresh. During his response to having a plan for isis. He mentioned his sooper sekrit plan, his plan to have the generals give him a plan, his plan to make a plan then decide which plan he was going to use the generals or the plan to be named at a future date.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
6. I would love to see Trump in a setting where, after lying about his support of the Iraq war,
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:28 AM
Sep 2016

a screen would appear and start playing the clips of Trump supporting the Iraq war. It's not as if this is an obscure notation on a hidden letter. It's all on video.

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