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NewHampshiriteGuy

(95 posts)
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:27 AM Sep 2016

Quit the handwringing over this "overheating" thing

Seriously, some of you need a longer string of pearls to clutch over this...it's almost as if you're in an abusive relationship with the GOP and media bullies?!

"Oh what are they going to say?"

"They're going to jump all over this and we'll end out with President Trump"

It's not like they took her to the Hospital! They took her to Chealsea's apartment ffs!

She was in a suit, in a crowd of people, in an emotional environment on a humid September morning after weeks and weeks of campaigning. It's a non issue and don't feed into it by freaking out every time her campaign "optics" aren't perfect.

Sheesh!

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Quit the handwringing over this "overheating" thing (Original Post) NewHampshiriteGuy Sep 2016 OP
Agree vadermike Sep 2016 #1
If you noticed they kept rotating the FF behind the podium... Historic NY Sep 2016 #2
FF = ? TLA? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #35
Fire Fighters.... Historic NY Sep 2016 #45
I'm more upset they couldn't lie and claim food poisoning. This blows over in a minute smorkingapple Sep 2016 #3
The campaign has made two strategic mistakes this week Democat Sep 2016 #4
Nonsense Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #26
So you're saying they should lie? NewHampshiriteGuy Sep 2016 #6
That (the food poisoning) blows over in a minute---cuz it was a REPUKE. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #20
If they claimed food poisoning, the MSM and the RW nuts would do an intensive investigation tblue37 Sep 2016 #39
Yeah, this definetly needed its own thread. Joe the Revelator Sep 2016 #5
This story will have no substantive impact Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #28
We can't pretend LynnTTT Sep 2016 #7
She didn't faint radical noodle Sep 2016 #9
I get overheated MFM008 Sep 2016 #38
Other people have said they were overheated as well radical noodle Sep 2016 #8
As I said in another post, "this will bring out the 'sky is falling' group." book_worm Sep 2016 #10
It's always the same folks. I wonder if they do it as a vacation from the "other place". SaschaHM Sep 2016 #12
It's more of the "i wanna win every single day from now until Election Day" crowd smorkingapple Sep 2016 #15
Exactly. You can't lose news cycles after Labor Day to bullshit. Joe the Revelator Sep 2016 #16
I agree! MoonRiver Sep 2016 #11
I believe someone said she has a kevlar vest underneath... Moonwalk Sep 2016 #21
Frankly, I think it is the Skidmore Sep 2016 #13
My first Lefthacker Sep 2016 #14
See she's fine NewHampshiriteGuy Sep 2016 #17
I live in NYC Metro135 Sep 2016 #18
As a Blue Collar Democrat I find the pearl clutching to be embarassing. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #19
Yes, but I do like the fainting couch that comes with the purchase of those pearls.... Moonwalk Sep 2016 #23
They can shove em,..oh wait, that would turn them into anal beads. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #47
The only optic that matters is that one of her leaving Chelsea's apartment in good spirits. SaschaHM Sep 2016 #22
Where was Trump this morning? George II Sep 2016 #24
At the ceremony until he left early also. uppityperson Sep 2016 #30
I hope it becomes an issue BaronChocula Sep 2016 #25
K&R. Trump left early also uppityperson Sep 2016 #27
Thank you! Zippyzagnut Sep 2016 #29
She almost never gets to go home, but Trump flies home every night to his own apartment. tblue37 Sep 2016 #41
Agree Johnny2X2X Sep 2016 #31
Very well said Gman Sep 2016 #32
Agree vadermike Sep 2016 #33
We can't control other people, how they'll react, what they'll say or do or think... Moonwalk Sep 2016 #34
I'm sure if John McCain had fainted in 2008, DU would have just wished him well and moved on. n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #36
If he is inside in air conditioning and fainted, then that's obviously different. AgadorSparticus Sep 2016 #43
that 40 lbs of kevlar bullet proof underwear is enough to over heat anybody Cryptoad Sep 2016 #37
well, she didn't get drunk, choke on a pretzel and bang her head anyway rurallib Sep 2016 #40
Hmm, if the tRump campaign goes too GWC58 Sep 2016 #42
Welcome to DU, NewHampshiriteGuy! calimary Sep 2016 #44
Abso-damn-lutely! nt Atticus Sep 2016 #46
This is no longer about the righty conspiracies. LeftRant Sep 2016 #48

vadermike

(1,417 posts)
1. Agree
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Sep 2016

Guys don't Waste time on this one Look at the great polls this morning We are leading By 7 in OH and 2 in FL OH really nice result

Democat

(11,617 posts)
4. The campaign has made two strategic mistakes this week
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:37 AM
Sep 2016

They need to be better, even perfect, when facing an evil like Trump.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
26. Nonsense
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:36 PM
Sep 2016

The only question, as far as I'm concerned is whether HRC's win over Trump is by a small margin, or a large one.
She has room for optics mistakes.

6. So you're saying they should lie?
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:39 AM
Sep 2016

I don't think telling the truth since it's already not a big deal is a strategic mistake...I think making shit up so the optics are better and risking getting caught in a lie is much worse.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
20. That (the food poisoning) blows over in a minute---cuz it was a REPUKE.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:10 PM
Sep 2016

And a MAN.

The M$M is a wholly owned subsidiary of CorpoCONservative Industries Inc.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
39. If they claimed food poisoning, the MSM and the RW nuts would do an intensive investigation
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:24 PM
Sep 2016

to find out what she ate, when she ate it, and whether anyone else had the same thing without getting sick from it. Then they would flood the airwaves and the internet with anonymously sourced claims (made up out of whole cloth) that a bunch of people ate the same thing without getting sick, so they would then say that not only was Clinton collapsing from some sort of deadly condition, but that she and her campaign were blatantly lying about it.

No, the RW and the MSM are going to smear her no matter what. It is better not to give them more ammunition by lying about something so easily explained. Many people, including young, healthy people, have experienced precisely this sort of physical distress when overdressed outside in the business mandatory suit + jacket on a hot, humid day. Most people who are not already against her will recognize the situation, so when her team says that it was from heat exhaustion or even specify the combination of heat and dehydration, most people will recognize that this is a perfectly reasonable explanation and not only that it could happen to anyone, but that it is absolutely not evidence of any chronic, debilitating condition.

It is better not to lie when you are under constant hostile scrutiny, because the lie will be found out, and then you will be excoriated for it. As we have learned repeatedly since Watergate, the coverup is what inevitably ruins you.

Since there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for what happened here, there is no good reason to try to cover it up with a lie!

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
5. Yeah, this definetly needed its own thread.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:37 AM
Sep 2016

With that said, you're being naive if you don't think this story will have legs, because it fits an already established narrative.

Its about optics. Remember when President Bush vomited in Japan? It was just a little food poisoning, sheesh!!

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
28. This story will have no substantive impact
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:38 PM
Sep 2016

Beyond being something for people to fulminate about online.

The things that move discussion on DU do not, in general, move polling numbers.

LynnTTT

(362 posts)
7. We can't pretend
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:41 AM
Sep 2016

that this is nothing. The GOP is going to make it big deal of it and so will the media.

I say this as a "fainter' myself. In my case it" idiopathic syncope" meaning you faint from no particular cause. I faint if I'm sick (but not always), but also from heat and have fainted when nothing is unusual at all. But I don't faint in times of crisis, so I have no problems with Hillary being President.

And I trust Kaine and don't trust Pence.

radical noodle

(8,014 posts)
9. She didn't faint
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:45 AM
Sep 2016

She just walked off without assistance according to the reports I've seen. I faint when I get a blood test.

radical noodle

(8,014 posts)
8. Other people have said they were overheated as well
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:44 AM
Sep 2016

MSNBC is trying to calm the waters and saying the overheated thing makes perfect sense. Once she's back out and looking perky, everyone except the crazies will forget about it.

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
15. It's more of the "i wanna win every single day from now until Election Day" crowd
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:52 AM
Sep 2016

And absolute bullshit like this is a L for her. Tomorrow morning is now all "deplorables" and "overheating". Another L.

And this happened ON 9/11 ANNIVERSARY making it worse.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. I agree!
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:47 AM
Sep 2016

But Hillary should dress more lightly when it's hot outside. She was in long sleeves, with a top underneath, and long pants. I think New York is having very humid and hot weather right now. Dress accordingly. Just saying.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
21. I believe someone said she has a kevlar vest underneath...
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:16 PM
Sep 2016

I don't know this for a fact, but I sure hope so! And if she is wearing one, then I really don't want her to take it off even if it's better for her on a hot day. As for long pants...a skirt and nylons wouldn't be much better, and as for shorts...well, no political figure is going to wear those to a solemn media event.

That said, I *do* agree that she should see about getting a lighter wardrobe for the humid, Indian summer days. Lighter fabric, shorter sleeves, etc. But likely this is as much about her driving herself too hard, not getting enough fluids or rest, as it is about wardrobe.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. Frankly, I think it is the
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:51 AM
Sep 2016

press corp who is all whipped up because she didn't ask them for permission to go and didn't tell them when she did.

I can appreciate having to leave. I had to leave my son's wedding reception because I felt overheated and sick. It was held outdoors on the hottest day of the year. I just needed to get out of the heat before I passed out from it.

Lefthacker

(264 posts)
14. My first
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:51 AM
Sep 2016

Reaction was "here we go again". Then I calmed down and realized not many Americans are paying attention to news on Sunday morning, only the political wonks. This country while it should be honoring the memory of 911 is more concerned with opening day in the NFL. I think this will be a minor blip.

17. See she's fine
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 11:55 AM
Sep 2016

She just walked out of Chelsea's apartment without any assistance, smiling and looking fine, waving and walking vigorously...took a picture with a little girl, and hopped into her SUV, purse slung over her shoulder.

Get. A. Grip. People!

Now if the media makes a big deal out of this, push back hard!!!! Like it's your job.

Metro135

(359 posts)
18. I live in NYC
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:01 PM
Sep 2016

It was so humid yesterday that I thought I was going to pass out. And I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt. You could have cut the air with a knife.

This is a complete non-issue!

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
22. The only optic that matters is that one of her leaving Chelsea's apartment in good spirits.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:19 PM
Sep 2016

Everyone has those days, and tbh honest this happening on 9/11, keeps this from becoming overblown. The stations ended the coverage after she left the apartment and got back to the 9/11 coverage.

Now if she didn't make a public appearance and the video of her leaving was the only thing we had, that would warrant a lot of concern, but that's not the case. Yes, Rudy and the Ghouls will try to make a thing of this tomorrow, but a healthy and robust Clinton campaigning is going to keep this from becoming an uncontrollable firestorm.

BaronChocula

(1,607 posts)
25. I hope it becomes an issue
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:32 PM
Sep 2016

so we talk about what Hillary did after 9/11/2001 and what Conald Trump did after 9/11 which was fleece the funds set up to get small businesses on their feet. Bring it!

Zippyzagnut

(77 posts)
29. Thank you!
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:39 PM
Sep 2016

Can you put yourself in her shoes and say at 68 years old, you could be on the campaign trail for 18 months, hardly every getting to go home? Sometimes in 4 states in one day? Be honest. I'm 10 yrs younger and HELLS NO.

While we're at it, why do you think the donald only phones in his interviews from his apartment? His stamina is low.

tblue37

(65,490 posts)
41. She almost never gets to go home, but Trump flies home every night to his own apartment.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:31 PM
Sep 2016

He doesn't even do most of the typical campaign events. He just tweets, calls in to TV and radio shows from the comfort of his own home, or has one-on-one interviews with friendly journalists--often in his own building, so he doesn't even have to leave home for them.

He doesn't have to submit to the rigors of the campaign trail the way other candidates do, because the media will give him nonstop coverage even if all he is doing is tweeting from his couch.

He gives long rants at rallies, but that certainly doesn't tire him. He comes out of those rallies energized, not drained, because he feeds off the crowd's approval.

Johnny2X2X

(19,190 posts)
31. Agree
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:40 PM
Sep 2016

She almost passed out, but this is no big deal, let FOX go crazy with it for a week. It's not a story by Tuesday anywhere else.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
32. Very well said
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:40 PM
Sep 2016

That means people wringing hands over it think it's a real issue. Like people are going to big to vote for the disaster that is Trump because they think she's sick? How effed up is that?

vadermike

(1,417 posts)
33. Agree
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:42 PM
Sep 2016

They are already back to regular coverage 9/11 Trump was asked about it and said he knows nothing about it Let him or his surrogates try some shit tnnrw It won't help them they are desperate and it shows Hillary up big in OH and leading in Fl this morning also she's up nicely WaPO

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
34. We can't control other people, how they'll react, what they'll say or do or think...
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 01:47 PM
Sep 2016

..We can control our reactions and responses. Meaning if we don't panic over this, if we laugh off their "Hillary is sick!" accusations, then those accusations have less power. Nothing would give them more power than having Hillary's supporters act concerned and panicked. Right?

This is one of the dirtiest, most deplorable elections ever with Trump's side throwing out lie after lie, hoping something will stick. Hillary could do a one-handed handstand while lifting a 100lb barbell with the other hand, and it wouldn't stop them from suggesting she's in ill health. And voters may or may not believe those lies. Like I said, we can't control people's reactions. But we can decide not to play Trump's game. Not to let him worry us about what his campaign will say or do; that's us dancing to his tune. Let's control what we can control, and not worry about what is out of our control. That's how we get power, hold power and keep it.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
43. If he is inside in air conditioning and fainted, then that's obviously different.
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:41 PM
Sep 2016

If he is outside in heat, yeaaah. It is just heat exhaustion and not all passing out is the same. DU wouldn't be so stupid as to make it an issue. Nice try, though.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
42. Hmm, if the tRump campaign goes too
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:39 PM
Sep 2016

hard, I believe, what they'll do is galvanize more and more women to Hillary. A comment might go something like "oh, because this is a woman it's a big deal." Okay, now over react, boys!🙄

calimary

(81,527 posts)
44. Welcome to DU, NewHampshiriteGuy!
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 02:43 PM
Sep 2016

I noticed Alex Witt and Kristen Welker both opining this morning about the utterly horrid humidity they experienced earlier this same morning. Alex Witt even sort of conceded it wasn't something they'd ordinarily do - "we don't often cover fashion." That is one really worthwhile observation. Because to "cover fashion" does imply something slightly frivolous and superficial.

HOWEVER - in a case like THIS, it becomes quite a valuable insight to bring into the coverage. Witt AND Welker both, properly and accurately, mentioned the miserable weather - heat, AND evidently some pretty ungodly HUMIDITY. They also pointed out Hillary was dressed in another of her professional outfits as appropriate for any woman executive in a high-credibility position, especially a woman running for POTUS as the first major-party candidate. Clothing and apparel styles become important to the credibility quotient. She couldn't afford to show up at an event as important and serious as a 9/11 anniversary commemoration in shorts and a tank top. Nor could she afford to dress in a light, flowy pastel garden-party-style dress. The event called for subdued attire, respectful dark colors, and NO SUPERFLUOUS SKIN showing! No skin showing AT ALL.

At her age, I wouldn't expect Hillary to dress in shorts and a tank top to go out and pull weeds in her garden! She'd want to cover up to avoid sun exposure on her arms and legs. She'd probably wear jeans because gardening requires kneeling down on the ground a lot. And she'd probably wear a hat to keep the sun off her face and neck. I'm 63 and that's how I dress to go out on a hot day (and we don't have much of a humidity problem here in SoCal). Never without a broad-rimmed hat for maximum sun coverage.

But I'm not out there running for President and having to worry about things men NEVER would have to worry about. For example:
How do I look?
How's the rear view?
Heels too high? I've gotta be on my feet all day. Can't afford to wobble or lose balance or get heel stuck in a grating or something.
How's my hemline?
Pants or skirt? Which is easier to sit in?
Probably need jacket. How's the weight - fabric too heavy/too light?
Do my upper arms telegraph "age"? Better wear sleeves...
GENUINELY - does this make my butt look fat? SERIOUSLY, considering how catty the press can be, this actually IS an issue.
Will I be in the sun all day? Need a sun hat? Will that look too casual/"royalist" (putting on airs)/off-putting?
What colors should I wear? A typically somber 9/11 tribute would NOT be the place to wear hot pink or pastel prints.

BTW - I noticed how Nikki Haley dressed back during that period after the horrible church shooting in Charleston SC. She always seemed to want people to make sure to see her. She always wore "look-at-ME" outfits. Light-colored hard-to-miss suits in gatherings where everybody else is in dark clothing. She wore a blinding white suit for the event when they took down the hate rag. EVERYBODY else there, male and female, was dressed in literally a BLINDING white skirted suit. All it did was telegraph "ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!!! DON'T MISS ME!!!!" I kept mumbling to myself, "this AIN'T about YOU, girlfriend."

By contrast, mind you, Hillary herself chose a blinding white pantsuit on the night she accepted the nomination. At the convention. NOT a solemn occasion by any measure. And by contrast to the CONfederate flag-lowering, this occasion WAS about her. It was ALL ABOUT Hillary. Hillary was making history that night. It WAS about her. Why not wear a bright "look-at-me" outfit in an occasion like that! It was like being the Birthday Girl or the Guest-of-Honor or something. Not AT ALL similar to Nikki Haley's attention-hogging outfit choice which I felt was grossly inappropriate for the occasion.

Seems like total superficial frippery, but a prominent woman actually HAS TO think of this shit. Men don't have to deal with it. It tends to be a non-issue with men (unless of course you're Al Gore and some smart-ass wants to make shit out of your wearing earth tones). Just throw your business suit on and that's that. And nobody cares that much. A man would have to show up either nude or in a Peewee Herman costume to get shit for what he was wearing.

Just remember - the shit someone like Kate Middleton has taken when her skirt accidentally blows in the wind and the Queen is there to indicate displeasure because she thinks it's too much. Hell, by now, Duchess Kate has to have weights sewn into her hems to keep her skirt from billowing up in a gust of wind! Like her grandmother-in-law has had to do, and Will's late mom had to do. That's how nit-picky SHE has to be. Or she has to wear something like a coat dress, or something with a tight skirt or heavier fabric that isn't loose or airy enough to catch the wind. And Hillary would have to face the same superficial concerns if she wore skirts and dresses all the time, too.

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