2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNewsweek reporting Trump scandal!!!
Deep ties w global financiers foreign politicians and even criminals.
A web of contractual entanglement that could not be canceled
Every foreign policy decision would have a conflict of interest
His business interests would constantly jeopardize the US
Edited to add: Rachel Maddow was literally just handed this - seemed to be reading it for the first time herself just now! Wow- she had thirty minutes, hope she can delve into this!!!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)should disqualify tRump!
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)33taw
(2,442 posts)Is there a procedural process to disqualify a candidate? Or, is this just hoping he withdraws?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)As to how he could have even his kids running those companies if it would be considered a security risk.
I meant disqualified in the sense of it was determined t was impossible for him to be involved in foreign policy decisions or even briefings.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)business involvements at home and around the globe. Neither could support or oppose almost anything big without affecting the family's business profits.
Congress would echo with occasional steps breaking the silence if the standard claimed should apply to the nonprofit Clinton Foundation were applied to for-profit entanglements.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)The Vice Presidential nominee is exactly that: the nominee for the office of Vice President. Pence is not the automatic successor to the Presidential nominee and he would have to further complicate matters by declining the one nomination to be eligible for the other, forcing the RNC to go through extra trouble to fill both positions.
Furthermore, everyone on the inside of both sides knows him to be a fucking moron who was put in the VP slot to spare Indiana an embarrassing gubernatorial loss this year. He's the RNC's second-to-last choice for a successor to Donald Trump, right after Ted Cruz.
(I should add that Democrats have been taking it easy on Pence because in a worst-case scenario he's the perfect President of the Senate: totally ignorant and probably unwilling to do the ostensibly ceremonial job of conducting the Senate's business. Unlike Joe Biden, you're never going to see a VP Pence take over the Senate and tie the opposition in procedural knots while his side's leadership works offstage. But if he were to step to the fore, the gloves would come off and all the scandals he's trying to outrun would be trundled out with excellent effect.)
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I'm from Indiana and lived there during the time Pence was in the House of Representatives. He may not be the smartest apple in the tree, but he's very popular with many Republicans who would prefer voting for him than Trump.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)But I think it's more important to look at it from Pence's point of view: When he got trounced in his first electoral bid, he became a conservative media stooge.
When he went upside down in his approval ratings as governor, with an election looming, I think he happily took Trump's offer as running mate because Trump is obviously training up a television network, with nonrefundable public funding. I suspect Pence's object isn't to win, it is to secure lucrative employment after he gets his ass beat.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)That could be very true.
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)Among other things too .
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And/or Iranian. That would be a fine mess.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)But it's nice someone is doing a big report people will have to talk about !!!
George II
(67,782 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)This came out, back in July, from Josh Marshall. But it STILL speaks loudly, and it's MOST intriguing. The point's been made that Trump's so deep in debt that he's had to turn to Russian funding sources. Why? Because he's declared bankruptcy (his method of weaseling out of various big-ticket obligations) so many times by now that American banks don't want to lend him money anymore.
I'll list off some facts.
1. All the other discussions of Trump's finances aside, his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. This is in just one year while his liquid assets have also decreased. Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.
2. Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin. Here's a good overview from The Washington Post, with one morsel for illustration ...
Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.
Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets, Trumps son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)mrJJ
(886 posts)Not difficult to find The Russian Bratva & Traditional American OC ties just need to do a bit more digging...
Asian OC examples:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/ted-cruz/yes-donald-trump-has-been-linked-mob/
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/trump-supports-casino-suspect-article-1.692948
Asian Organized Crime
Part 1(102-346)
October 3, November 5-6, 1991
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007609845
CHINATOWN BOSS TAKES A GUILTY PLEA
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/chinatown-boss-takes-guilty-plea-article-1.693911
calimary
(81,267 posts)And they're obsessing on Donald Trump's going onto the DOCTOR OZ SHOW!!!!!!!!!
OH WOW!!!!!!!
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!
Oh For Crying Out Loud...
Trump throws up another shiny object and the media gets led around by the nose.
They're leading with this. I don't know when they're gonna get to the Newsweek exclusive. But then again, financial stuff, hard-to-put-on-a-bumper-sticker stuff - really leaves them high 'n' dry. So they don't bother. Besides, it's television. WHAT DO WE SEE?
SCliberal91294
(170 posts)K&R
BootinUp
(47,147 posts)to come out. Can't wait to read the whole thing.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)This could be an early "October surprise!"
Skittles
(153,160 posts)for ratings
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Would be more fun watching you do it, but this will do.
:HI:
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)We've all been thinking this kind of thing was out there if someone could find it.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)joking apart- this will make him EXPLODE at every reporter asking questions.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)what he intended to do with his multiple businesses if (goddess forbid) he were elected President?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)But that wouldn't be a blind trust. It would have to be assumed that the five juniors would be telling him the major things going on.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)madaboutharry
(40,211 posts)And as far as his businesses are concerned, he thinks it is good enough that his kids will run it. Really? His sons are dim.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)another bit of news that's forgotten by the media?
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)When too many syllables are used and the normal sane people are already against Trump. There is absolutely nothing that can dissuade Trumo supporters at this point. And if the news is complicated (finances, numbers, conflicts of interest) the media won't even bother and instead focus on made up drama about nothing.
calimary
(81,267 posts)Either they just hate Hillary because it's the favorite indoor sport of their side of the aisle, or Trump is giving voice and thus representation to what qualifies them for membership in the Deplorables Club.
But the wavering independents who may start being open to the Trump/Pence arguments could be pushed back over to our side. People who might be tipping away from Hillary could tip back to her with shit like this.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And many more just "forgetting to vote"
Security moms won't like this either. And it gives them
a reason besides the sexism, which I think some need.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)border but haul in dirty profit from other countries elsewhere.
I'll wait like everybody else for the story to hit the stands, but in advance I'd just like to say that Trump's making America great again may be a case of his making his wallet fat again.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)the what-for a while back on the Wall.
bettyellen, I'm looking forward to whatever Newsweek can tell us about Trump's shenanigans. I'm almost guessing too that Paul Manafort's name may just come up in the proceedings.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)wide an audience as possible.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Destroy this fucker now.
senseandsensibility
(17,037 posts)where the NY attorney general is launching an investigation? I'm confused. More details, please.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)She was so excited I immediately opened a thread to transcribe the most detailed parts of the summary.
I think my last sentence may not be word for word but I got all the important sentiments in the first time.
Oh I left out that they said they may have found nothing illegal, but that the conflict of interests would render him unable to make any foreign policy decisions. BOOM
senseandsensibility
(17,037 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)Ashleigh Canfield and CNN's "Reliable Sources" guy, Brian Stelter, are pouring all over the Dr. Oz thing. With a side of Hillary Clinton coughing. Gotta bring THAT in, of course.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Rachel was able to obtain an excerpt early.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)He is probably corrupt, but when he's owned by foreign oligarchies, we cannot afford to elect this stooge.
scoootch
(1 post)It seems as though we're all on the same team... it's the other side who we need to recruit.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,806 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Trump's ties have major national security implications.
He is dealing with some shady characters which I hope Newsweek will identify.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Dealing with organized crime. Also that he could not but help at having a huge conflict of interest in all foreign policy areas imaginable!
kairos12
(12,861 posts)leave too little time for emails.
klook
(12,155 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)CanonRay
(14,101 posts)mrmpa
(4,033 posts)I love the owner, his wife and I've watched his 2 kids go from crawling around, to the oldest now in High School & playing football.
elmac
(4,642 posts)he's a criminal, just like most of his illth, and that includes most of the multi national corporations in this country.
bhusar
(131 posts)Will the so called media make this a big deal like Hillary's emails?
Mme. Defarge
(8,030 posts)I think this story might be the reason I have a chronic headache and eye strain due to checking DU every 20 minutes or so. If so, it's been so worth it!
oasis
(49,387 posts)before dropping the bombshell.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Joe Turner
(930 posts)Something that will take away from the stories about Hillary having Parkinson Disease. That is a scary story that needs to be trumped. LOL
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,037 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)How can this not be incredibly damaging? But what can be done? How do you disqualify someone or get rid of a business? It's a real dilemma.
I love it!
GReedDiamond
(5,313 posts)WeAreAllImmigrants
(12 posts)I have been waiting for some real journalists to do some real digging into Mr. Trump's background. There were always rumors he was a shady businessman and that was years before he decided to run for president.
Glad to see this and his bogus charity donations are finally coming to light.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)as an immigrant from Germany, I specially like your DU name that you have chosen-Mike
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)I was starting to think real journalism was extinct.
womanofthehills
(8,709 posts)Donald J. Trump tweets on Keystone XL Pipeline
@realDonaldTrump
If I am elected President I will immediately approve the Keystone XL pipeline. No impact on environment & lots of jobs for U.S.
2:39 PM - 18 Aug 2015
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The Keystone pipeline will create 20,000 jobs and lower gas prices. But Obama says No. Dumb.
1:53 PM - 27 Dec 2011
----------------
Among his many investments: At least $250,000 worth of stock in TransCanada Pipelines Ltd., the Canadian company hoping to build the controversial Keystone XL tar sands pipeline.
https://thinkprogress.org/disclosure-reveals-donald-trump-has-been-promoting-company-he-has-250-000-invested-with-d70584c7c9a7#.1spbisi48
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)the poorly educated Tramp professes to love can't understand word one of this scandal. They'd rather fulminate about emails and a family foundation that actually is charitable.
And how about a shout out to the rest of the media for giving the shyster Tramp a free pass.
ffr
(22,670 posts)There's already an Mt. Everest size mountain of disqualifying evidence about Trump, this is but one more for rational thinkers like us. We all know this. But for a republi supporter, there is no amount of humiliating embarrassing evidence that will ever sway them off. He could shoot somebody...
oasis
(49,387 posts)so she can hawk her new book.
Move over Modo, they'll have real work to do.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)oasis
(49,387 posts)got "Mow'd over"during their bid for the presidency.
For the life of me I've never seen anything MoDo's accomplished that compels News anchors to look on her as some kind of journalistic diva.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Maybe I'm wrong.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)She came up in the age when suddenly writers came out and ere very visible. Lots of attractive low talent men and women benefited from that.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)Didn't they date too?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Mz Pip
(27,445 posts)I was wondering when the press would get around to pointing out the conflict of interests that would occur should Trump become President.
It's been emails and the Clinton Foundation 24/7 for far too long.
Seriously, how is Trump going to handle his wide web of business dealings if he should become President?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)I still do not understand how the media is not reporting on Trump's bribery of politicians. Why is there no FBI investigation of Trump's Bribes to public officials?
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)However, can't help but wonder if his supporters and the MSM will really care or understand what this info means.
colin62
(21 posts)I would love for this to be a "bombshell" but Huffington Post seems to be blowing this out of proportion (typical HP).
The author of the article tweeted, "My big cover story in @Newsweek that could change the dialogue about this election season will be published online tomorrow."
The guy who wrote it says the story "could change the dialogue". He doesn't even call it a bombshell. There is no text on the cover of Newsweek itself that indicates a bombshell story.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Let's make it big mall Hilary's faults are exaggerated.
salin
(48,955 posts)ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)If anything, this is just the tip of yet another of dumdum's icebergs.
Face it.
markcan1972
(1 post)I started a petition on petitions.whitehouse.gov for the DOJ to investigate the Trump Foundation's illegal contribution to Fl AG Pam Bondi. Please sign and pass the word.
McKim
(2,412 posts)I so hope this slices off another group of Trumpsters. Will it matter to a core group of his supporters? But who I am worried about is the millions of white working class folks who will vote for him. They have been shafted by this society and they are angry. These are the people that Trump really resonates with. He has seen their pain and he has talked about it in a way that they understand. This is the key. Some of these Trump supporters are dangerous people whom he has given permission to say and do thinks that to us are unthinkable. Violence is talked about and acted upon.
Many Democratic candidates have failed to connect with the working class, have no idea how to talk to them, and have ignored their downward economic spiral. Joe Biden can't do it alone! Stop using all those big words and get more perspective about how these people have been really been trickled on during the massive economic downturn of the last 30 years.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)and that bosses behave badly. It's what they do.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)full of fraud and deception. He is a poster for "pay to play".
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)of this article
(or lack thereof).
Thanks!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)they did not cover it on Morning Joe.
Native
(5,942 posts)Farmgirl1961
(1,493 posts)Let's hope that this raises the red flag and causes major grief for Trump and the Republicans...
But what I want to know is this:
Will this suck up the airwaves and be debated and talked about as much as Hillary's emails?
Will this get the attention it deserves?
Will it "even matter" or will Con man Don find a way to weasel talk his way out?
jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)How could this be?
napkinz
(17,199 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Waiting for her take on the Newsweek story.
She is finally pushing back on Trumps failure to release tax records.
Still weak overall.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Am expecting better coverage this evening
underpants
(182,803 posts)No one other than Deutsche Bank (pronounced Doooouche in his case) and probably Russians will lend him money. Why would people do business with him? Plus he is clearly a prick.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)While taking no responsibility or risk himself.
And many of his partners then have legal or financial troubles.
berksdem
(595 posts)"scandal" will go absolutely nowhere in the minds of Trump supporters. Sorry, but this is really an over exaggerated headline. Trump will be in it until the election and then the voting population get to decide - and let's hope they make the right decision. This guy is the definition of the Teflon Don and it will not matter one bit among the deplorables.
He is a cancer... he gets bigger and bigger in the minds of his voters.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Surrogates, have something in writing to point to. Prior to this you had to hunt down a dozen articles of varying quality. It's a step.