Campaign Hillary needs to get its act together

[markpkessinger]

A friend of mine who lives in Ohio -- a key battleground state in this race -- posted this today on Facebook:

OK... I'm voting for Clinton. There's no doubt about that and pretty much regardless of anything that happens 'twixt now and November 8, that's what will happen.

BUT! – 16 days ago I made a contribution to her campaign and ordered a yard sign for my home. I think it important to put that up and out there in a town where I've seen NO Clinton signs, but I have seen Trump signs (I pass four of them on my way to the office everyday and have seen others elsewhere in town and county).

After 14 days of not receiving the sign (for which the shipping charge was $12), I filled out a "contact" form on the Hillary website. Today I received a reply which included this: "Thank you for reaching out. If you have made a donation and are expecting a piece of merchandise in return, please allow approximately 6-8 weeks for delivery."

WHAT THE HELL?

8 WEEKS? The election will have happened before I get my sign. There will be no public display of support for a Clinton presidency in my neighborhood.

Is this any way to run a campaign? If you want your supporters to show their support, you'd sure as hell better get their public signs and bumper stickers and whatever else to them faster than "approximately 6-8 weeks"! Especially if you're charging them $12 for shipping a flimsy sheet of plastic and wire frame!

It's the little things that drive you crazy!

The "little things," indeed! Like me, my friend was a Sanders suporter during the primaries and now is supporting Clinton. This is a tight race, and a "little thing" like this, insofar ad it indicates the campaign's lack of responsiveness to supporters, is the kind of thing that could blow it in November.

One of the things that is critical to getting out the vote is making your supporters feel as if it is their campaign as much as it is yours. This is something Bernie's campaign did brilliantly (in some cases, almost too brilliantly). An aloof campaign will not win this election.

Get your shit together, Campaign Hillary!

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. This race is waaaay too close for my liking

You and your friend make good points.

[Democat]

2. So far, her campaign organization has not been very impressive

Since the convention we haven't seen great things from Clinton's campaign. Let's hope they are putting all of their efforts into Get Out The Vote.

[George II]

182. Don't know what you need to be "impressive", but it's one of the most organized campaigns...

....in a LONG time.

[Democat]

186. One problem is

They mostly took a break from campaigning for the month of August and now they are missing again in the middle of September.

[BlueMTexpat]

187. "So far, her campaign organization has not been very impressive"

They apparently spend more time working to register voters, etc. than on mailing out yard signs.

[jonno99]

3. Sigh, not good - it shouldn't take that long. $12 shipping? You should have gotten it in 2 days. nt

[displacedtexan]

4. Yard & window signs are free at your neighborhood, city, or county Dem Party HQ.

If you call, they will bring you one.

[markpkessinger]

11. Yes, someone informed my friend of that, and he intends to do just that . . .

. . . still, it is one hell of a way to run a campaign in a race this tight!

[jodymarie aimee]

148. not free in Stevens Point Wisconsin

I am on the Exec Bd. of my county party. Nothing is free. Buttons are $1-2. Signs $4-15. They have to purchase them or make them.

[molova]

5. So your friend has a shipping issue

Therefore Hillary needs to get her act straight. I see.

[markpkessinger]

8. When a campaign tells supporters, 50 days before the election . . .

. . . to wait 6-8 weeks to receive a campaign sign, then yes, I would say the campaign needs to get its shit together, especially when a race is as tight as this one!

[AtheistCrusader]

170. Maybe you didn't notice but there's a difference between

Hillary, and the Campaign organization supporting her.

OP made that distinction clear. Shame you missed it. Shipping of materials is, in fact, a thing a competent CAMPAIGN org must get right.

[RKP5637]

6. Possibly someone at the post office "accidentally" lost it. Stranger things have happened. n/t

[markpkessinger]

9. The CAMPAIGN responded and told him, via form e-mail, to wait 6-8 weeks. n/t

[GeorgeGist]

7. They should have hired AMAZON ...

they get stuff shipped to me from China in 2 weeks.

[BobbyDrake]

10. Your friend sounds like an idiot.

The Clinton campaign didn't make your friend wait until 6 weeks from election day to request a sign.

Also, how fucking stupid does your friend have to be to not understand that campaign paraphernalia is made and sold by private vendors and not the campaign itself? Pretty fucking stupid, I have to say.

Bitching about a yard sign now? Talk about a new low for the anti-Clinton crowd.

[markpkessinger]

13. Okay, my friend is an 'idiot' . . .

. . . Yeah, that'll win this election, alright!

And "anti-Clinton" crowd? What part of "we are both supporting Clinton in the general" do you not understand?

[BobbyDrake]

16. As opposed to going on a forum for Democrats backing Clinton and whining about the campaign

not catering to your "special snowflake" of a friend?

You're not subtle here, you know. Why not take this over to the site where it's expected for you to malign HRC, instead of here? Or did you just forget which site you were logged into when you posted?

[markpkessinger]

18. Raising an issue about the responsiveness of a campaign is NOT maligning Hillary . . .

. . . and one would think that this WOULD be the place to raise such an issue. Seriously, it is attitudes like yours that will lose this election!

[BobbyDrake]

21. Wow, that's rich. You go out of your way to post your "friend" and their complaint

but it's my reply calling out obvious bullshit that is going to "lose this election?"

Tell your friend (the idiot) to call the post office, as they're the carrier. USPS Ground automatically includes a tracking number, so either your friend is lying, or too stupid to exist unsupervised.

[Kentonio]

69. Your response was rude and extremely arrogant.

If the campaign act like you then we could be in a lot of trouble.

[BobbyDrake]

101. Great, another JPRer who registered under the same name.

I guess word spreads fast when backup is required?

[Kentonio]

111. Feel free to mention the last time I posted there.

Go on, you're determined to try and divide Democrats and play your pathetic little high school clique games. Your candidate won the primary so you think you have a right to disrespect and insult lifelong Democrats because they supported a different primary candidate even though try now support Hillary? You're a joke.

[BobbyDrake]

117. Now that's funny.

You crack me up with such revisionist history.

And it looks like you scrubbed your profile before I got there. *slow clap*

[Kentonio]

123. Yeah it's all a big conspiracy. Grow up.

[BobbyDrake]

134. Zing?

[SpareribSP]

160. Everytime I come back to look at this site again

I see people like you who remind me why I stopped coming. Your response have been rude, arrogant, and frankly stupid.

[adigal]

153. Look at you! Another one who refuses to hear anything that doesn't agree

With your biases.

I'm amazed that this isn't just the Repubs doing this now.

[doc03]

20. +100 What a response to someone that supports your candidate! That could be called deplorible nt

[BobbyDrake]

23. Attacking my candidate over the actions of the post office isn't "support"

Obvious trolls are obvious. And I suppose it's just a coincidence that someone else from Ohio, also critical of the campaign, shows up to co-sign the thread?

OBVIOUS.

[markpkessinger]

25. Raising a constructive criticism of a campaign is now "attacking" your candidate . . . got it n/t

[BobbyDrake]

31. You can literally find your JPR profile with a Google search, you know.

"Constructive criticism," my ass.

You signed up under the same exact name. Not exactly bright...

[markpkessinger]

40. So I'm on JPR . . .

. . . I make no secret of that. I am also on record on that site as posting about the need to unite behind Hillary after she won the primary (and have posted very little there since the primary).

[BobbyDrake]

47. So the site is lying then...

...when it shows you active within the past week?



You posted a "joke" about HRC making a child disappear?

[markpkessinger]

65. "Active" means I logged on and read posts . . .

I haven't posted in months (and you know damned well that is the case, because you obviously did a search for my posts).

[BobbyDrake]

115. You posted as recently as Aug 9th, when you put up your "joke"

Should I link to it so everyone can see which of us is not being honest here?

[markpkessinger]

118. It was a joke, and posted as such . . .

. . . I found it funny not because it pointed to any truth about Hillary, but because of the way it partook of the various, outlandish right-wing conspiracy theories that abound. Finding something funny, even if a bit off-color, and posting it on another site, is not a bar to membership here. You're as bad as any Trump activist in taking something in isolation from the entirety of a person's record. You are beneath contempt.

[BobbyDrake]

122. You project too much. No one who posts at JPR gets to

lecture anyone else about being beneath contempt, despite the fact that they are subject matter experts on it. Peddle your anti-HRC BULLSHIT elsewhere please. This site is for supporters, not petty whiners and complainers like your idiot "friend."

[markpkessinger]

126. When you are the admin, you can say who does and does not belong here . . .

. . . and now, it's time to put you on my "ignore" list.

[BobbyDrake]

131. Not me. I'll be watching you, calling out all of your "concern" when I see it.

Run away now.

[melman]

190. I wonder

if you really think people don't know.

[markpkessinger]

132. I have been on this site for 6 years longer than you have . . .

. . . I don't need any lectures from you as to what this site is about!

[BobbyDrake]

133. I don't care how long you've been here. Knowing about a website longer than others

isn't the gold star you think it is. You'd think someone who'd been here 6 years would know better than to be so obvious about their phony concern.

[Lordquinton]

84. insulting fellow DUers, and stalking them?

Who's in the wrong here?

[markpkessinger]

91. Thank you n/t

[BobbyDrake]

98. The JPR folks bringing their endless primary here are the ones in the wrong.

Bitching about the HRC campaign because the post office is slow is PATHETHIC, and I'm not going to sugar-coat it to protect anyone's precious feelings.

[Lordquinton]

105. And you're still fighting the primary

Going for the trifecta here?

[BobbyDrake]

112. Nope, the primary is over. People from a site that pretends otherwise should stop

flinging their shit in DU's direction.

[Lordquinton]

147. You're literally the only person who brought it up here

Nice Ad Hom.

[rug]

114. You're talking to one of them.

[AlbertCat]

159. "them"

Says it all.

[doc03]

39. Nobody attacked your candidate you -----. Also I have no connection with the other

person in Ohio. You certainly don't do your candidate any favors with an asinine attitude like that.

[BobbyDrake]

49. You're not fooling anyone. Stop already.

Seriously.

[doc03]

51. I gave my opionion of you, fill in the (------- )and your attitude. You belong on the Trump campaign

[markpkessinger]

74. Amazing, isn't it?

After months and months of being told, prematurely, that we Bernie supporters needed to united behind Hillary, now that she is the nominee and we ARE supporting her, her early supporters wish to keep picking primary fights. GREAT way to win an election!

[Lonusca]

97. You think the post office

is the delay here? Do you think they are just sitting on all of Clinton's signs?

[BobbyDrake]

99. Far more plausible than a conspiracy by the HRC campaign to not deliver signs.

This entire thread is a troll, and a bad one at that.

[markpkessinger]

120. Dishonest framing . . .

. . . I never said there was a "conspiracy not to deliver signs" by the HRC campaign. I did, however, suggest (by implication) that there is a campaign management issue that should be addressed.

[BobbyDrake]

127. You suggested bullshit and got called in it. And by more people than just me, I see.

You know what exactly what you're doing. You just seemed shocked anyone would push back about it.

[Lonusca]

149. Sloppiness does not equal a conspiracy. Nt

[MFM008]

107. I got mine

Amazon prime in 3 days.
15.00 total. No s/h.
That's why I have prime.

[yodermon]

92. You should be ashamed of yourself and this entire subthread.

Holy fucking shit.

[GreenPartyVoter]

125. +1

[BobbyDrake]

137. This entire thread is shameful, starting with the obvious anti-HRC OP

JPR trolls should keep their shit on JPR. The primary is over, enough already. Digging for loopholes in the Terms of Service just makes them look pathetic and desperate.

[AlbertCat]

163. Bobby Bobby Bobby!

[EvolveOrConvolve]

161. How many friends are you going to win talking like that?

Your poor attitude is indicative of the depths to which DU has sunk, where good, long-standing Democrats are maligned because of your misapprehension of their intentions. If you're looking for some semblance of unity, a more accommodating tone would go a long ways towards mending fences. Instead, you seem to still be in Primary Mode where other Democrats are your enemy and should be castigated for even the mildest of constructive criticism.

Please stop digging the hole you're in and, if you're truly interested in getting Hillary elected, move on to more constructive endeavors, because this whole tirade just makes you look foolish and bitter.

[BobbyDrake]

164. Come down off the high horse, maybe. The point is to stand up to people trying to malign the

campaign in any way they can on this forum. This forum that is supposed to support the Democratic nominee. Please, enlighten me: How does posting someone else's Facebook complaint about the HRC campaign not providing sufficient "customer service" to someone who openly admits that he only grudgingly supports her in the first place, in ANY way, shape, or form, "support" the Democratic nominee?

Please, I am very interested to here the mountain of bullshit psuedo-logic required to explain that. Proceed.

ETA: And keep in mind, you've defended a stranger who is whining about not receiving a campaign yard sign for his lawn fast enough. You know, the sort of thing that could "make or break" an election. One yard sign, and one bitter, angry manchild on Facebook (who isn't even a DU member as far as anyone can tell), the supposed "friend" that this OP is quoting.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

172. Keeping digging...

You seem so busy pointing fingers that you're not looking at yourself. Stop digging.

[BobbyDrake]

173. Answer the question: How does it help? How does it signify "support the Democratic nominee?"

So far, you appear to have no answer, which is completely expected. Continue falling back on non-sequiturs like "Keep digging," even though that's neither an argument or a rebuttal.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

174. There you go again

So busy pointing fingers that you're not able to look at what I'm actually saying: which is that there are far better ways to express yourself beyond the sort of verbally abusive language you used in your post.

This isn't some to-the-death debate battle to be won or lost with arguments and rebuttals. It's about basic human decency, something you seem to be lacking in this thread. That sort of decency was once a hallmark of Democratic ideals (and of DU itself), but the attitude now (personified by your attitude in this thread) is one of confrontation, animosity and hatred. For God's sake, this person is on your side.

What I'm saying is that you're adding to the divisiveness, making things worse not better, and turning everything into a scene from Fight Club. In other words, you make DU suck, and it seems you can't get along well with others.

[BobbyDrake]

175. Wow, now projection too? It's like I'm watching someone paint a spam-by-numbers pic.

You interject yourself, then claim I'm the one attacking. You refuse to address my actual points against the thread, and then pretend like your opinion is the only one that matters. You claim I "make DU suck," and are trying to lecture me about divisiveness? That's some amazing bullshit you're manufacturing over there. Why doesn't "basic human decency" include "following the Terms of Service of the site?" Oh, wait, you have no answer, because you're just here to get some attention for yourself.

Your efforts are both laughable and transparent. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. The site gave you an ignore button if my opinions offend you so badly. Good day.

ETA: And no, the OP is not "on my side." People on my side don't shit on my candidate's campaign because their bitter loser Facebook friend didn't get their fucking lawn sign fast enough.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

184. Done

[kacekwl]

177. You have started one of the most ridiculous back

and foths I have ever seen. Poster states they will vote for Hillary but would like to put up a sign of support but complained because the sign won't be here before the election. You in your fucked up mind attacks them . Some shit about trolls . People like YOU give this site a bad name. Are you a administrator ? If not I hope the administration gives your post a good long look.

[Skoods]

12. I ordered mine the day Kaine was announced

And got it less than 2 weeks ago.

[LexVegas]

14. My friend ordered a Sanders yard sign and still hasn't got it.

[markpkessinger]

15. Did he get a form e-mail response telling him to wait 6-8 weeks?

Go ahead and be dismissive. That's a great way to lose an election.

[bettyellen]

30. So you're suggesting they hire staff to write individual, more accurate responses regarding each

Purchase? Maybe your friend can volunteer to do that for them, since it is so important.

[markpkessinger]

36. I fucking give up n/t

[Lonusca]

96. I would have long before post 36

People seem to have a hard time grasping how close this election is, and that misses like this add up

[markpkessinger]

102. Thank you, that is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make! n/t

[JTFrog]

157. Good.

Oh you were just kidding.

[BobbyDrake]

165. +1! nt

[doc03]

17. I live in Ohio also and as of today I haven't seen one Clinton yard sign and

the Trump signs are like dandelions. I saw a house today that had a Trump sign and a Johnson sign. I saw another house today with a Trump sign about 4' x 8' hanging over their porch. I didn't even see a Clinton sign at the county fair Democratic both. I have made several
donations to the Clinton campaign over the last two months and have yet to even get a pin or bumper sticker. They call Ohio a
battleground state, if Hillary is paying someone to fight this ground game she is getting ripped off.

[Cycle2016]

24. What city do u live in?

I live in NE OH.

[doc03]

35. East nearest city St. Clairsville. The Clinton campaign appears to be non-exsistant here.

I know they are probably focusing on Cleveland and other big cities. That worries me about this election so far I have
never seen this little support for our candidate in my entire life.

[Cycle2016]

76. I live in a town south of canton.

Haven't seen any signs except for 1 large trump. Did u call ur county party?

[CincyDem]

27. In SW Ohio, it looks like a slight sign advantage to HRC vs. Trump with a little Johnson. n/t

[OriginalGeek]

130. "Caller number 10 do you have the phrase that pays?"

~Trump with a little Johnson.~

Yes he does, you are a winner!

[CincyDem]

150. I can not believe I typed that and didn't realize it.

How could I have missed that !

[OriginalGeek]

191. because it's little!

[markpkessinger]

93. My friend lives in Medina n/t

[otohara]

156. Fear of Vandalism?

Cuz I got tell ya, I didn't put my Hillary sticker on until after the primary. I have my Hillary signs in the windows because I don't want them stolen by one of the millions of deplorable's or Sanders supporters who think everything is rigged against them.

A couple in Florida (I think FL) anyway...Hillary signs stolen, house vandalized, dog poisoned.

[liberal N proud]

171. Guess you have not been down my street

[Blue Idaho]

19. Did you friend check the local Democratic Office?

I live in one of the most republican states in the union - Idaho - and my local Democratic Office has had Hillary signs for almost a month.

[markpkessinger]

22. Someone told him to do that, and yes, he is going to do it . . .

. . . but the larger issue is the (non-)responsiveness to supporters in a key battleground state on the part of the campaign.

[Blue Idaho]

42. Or the assumption that things work better at a local level.

If the campaign has decided to put the resources in the community rather than out of a central office, this may signal a focus by the campaign on the need of a big ground game. Getting folks to come to the local office gives the campaign a chance to ask that person to become a campaign worker.

At least that how I'd see it.

[markpkessinger]

44. Then they probably shouldn't be selling signs on the website . ..

. . . but directing people to the local offices instead.

[Blue Idaho]

48. Why close off any option?

I know if I saw a $12 shipping charge I would immediately look for a local option. But if people want to pay - the campaign will be happy to make them available. As far as the timeline goes - it may be another way of saying - buy local.

[markpkessinger]

85. If you are charging $12 for shipping, sorry, you have an obligation to timely fill an order n/t

[Cary]

26. I don't get it

If you have really made up your mind to be support HRC and vote for her then what's the point of posting something like this? Am I supposed to be impressed? Is your post demonstrating something disciplined or functional?

Or am I supposed to take some kind of bait?

Please explain.

[markpkessinger]

33. Maybe because . . .

. . . I think there's a good chance someone from the campaign might see it here, and bring it to someone's attention.

[Cary]

55. Then why don't you go offer your services to the campaign?

Or do you think it is somehow a good idea to air one's dirty linen in public?

You really didn't answer my question.

[markpkessinger]

60. It was an attempt to raise an issue in a constructive manner. . .

. . . sorry you don't see it that way.

[Cary]

162. I saw more than enough negativity in the primary and,

I'm getting more than enough from the deplorables. And too way too much of that negativity is bullshit.

[bettyellen]

28. The six-eight weeks was their boilerplate response when they opened the shop. I waited six for my

Stuff- but it's made in America and here in plenty of time.
They actually needed some extra time initially to get items in stock. You're friend can likely get a sign from the local office- has he tried?

[markpkessinger]

29. Yes, he is going to do as you suggest . . .

. . . as I've pointed out several times in this thread. But the issue of responsiveness remains a problem.

[bettyellen]

32. It's still early and right now that shop is fundraising more than anything- 30$ per sign....

If he volunteered a bit I bet they would just give him one tomorrow.

[markpkessinger]

34. Less than two months before the election is hardly "still early" n/t

[Blue Idaho]

45. It's way early for yard signs...

Those usually go up at the end of the campaign. People stop "seeing" yard signs after a week or two. For maximum impact they are usually used near the end of the campaign.

[liberal N proud]

37. I got my sign last week - I live in OHIO

If they signed up for signs with the campaign prior to last week, they should have received a phone call from the local campaign office that signs were ready to be picked up.

If that isn't enough go to Hillary Clintons web site and order one!

[markpkessinger]

94. He ordered it on the Hillary website, and paid $12 for shipping . . .

. . . and was told via boilerplate response to wait 6-8 weeks.

[liberal N proud]

146. Need to check with the Web site customer service

[markpkessinger]

168. That's what he did when he got the response n/t

[BobbyDrake]

38. I'm reporting this to the admins. Active on JPR within the past week, now this.

If you don't want to support HRC, fine, but if so, just go away then.

[BlueCaliDem]

41. Thank you! eom

[markpkessinger]

52. I am on record on that site as calling for uniting behind Hillary after the primaries.

"Active" means I have looked at the site. That was not, last time I checked, a bar to membership here.

[BobbyDrake]

61. No, that's not true. You spend 4 paragraphs shitting on her, and then grudgingly say you'll vote.

"her hawkish tendencies, her ties to Wall Street, her sometimes slippery ethics and opportunism."

That's literally part of the first sentence in the paragraph where you eventually get around to acknowledging that you'll vote for Clinton.

Who, honestly, do you think you're fooling here? Why so much effort just to troll?

[markpkessinger]

64. I was restating criticisms that I made many times here on DU . . .

. . . likewise, I often criticized Obama, but supported him in both elections. And those opinions were raised during the primary season, WHEN IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO!

[markpkessinger]

103. If you have even a SHRED of integrity . . .

. . . you will also take a look at my Facebook timeline -- it's public (https://www.facebook.com/markpkessinger ). Yes, I was an avid Bernie supporter. But since Hillary secured the nomination, I have been equally avid in defending her from outlandish right-wing conspiracy theories and in supporting her over Trump I post in my own name here and elsewhere because I am hiding NOTHING about where I stand. And I trust that after you do so, you will apologize for your scurrilous accusations!

[BobbyDrake]

113. Don't talk to me about "integrity" while you're posting concern threads.

Because that means you don't even know what the word means.

Self-delete your thread.

[markpkessinger]

124. No n/t

[melman]

189. You're not reporting anything

[Lil Missy]

43. Whoever wrote that needs to get a life. n/t

[markpkessinger]

46. Another dismissal. Amazing. n/t

[elleng]

54. Facts disturb some, it appears.

[emulatorloo]

71. I know! The whole election hangs on whether or not I get a yard sign.

Priorities, Elleng: Get Out The Vote.

[Lil Missy]

154. campaign Hillary seems to be doing fine without your advice. she's winning.

But thanks for your concern.

[tonyt53]

50. Arm chair quarterbacks. That is what the majority of the posters on here are.

How many national campaigns have you ran? How well do you know the actual population voting records for each area of a state? Her campaign is actually quite competent. They schooled another guy in the primary using the same method.

What her campaign needs is massive pushing from her supporters to ALL major media outlets demanding that they cover both candidates equally and with the same level of questioning. No free passes for either candidate.

Most of all, no more arm chair quarterbacks!!!!!

[Cary]

59. Definitely.

I mean don't we get enough negativity from "conservatives?"

Posts like the opening post are bringing me down, which I have to assume is the intent.

[BlueInPhilly]

53. There are no campaign signs in my town

Except one for Gary Johnson.

And I live outside Philly, blue enough but not too blue to have pockets of Republicans.

NOT. ONE. SIGN.

And even if I did have one, I wouldn't put it on my yard - my 2008 Obama sign was stolen.

So chill, there's more to a candidate than yard signs. It's like saying Christmas cannot happen because we do not enough lights.

[tonyt53]

58. Bingo!

[SticksnStones]

56. Clickbait title

With an insult as a closing...

I vote 'not constructive' but rather a chance to poke at the candidate you never really liked in the first place...

There's enough "constructive criticism" for Hillary going on already.

Know what would have been helpful to the campaign? A post that read, "hey everybody, my friend found out it takes too long at this point to have a yard sign order fulfilled online by the campaign so go get them from your local democratic headquarters." Or something like that. That's helping Hillary get elected.

Anyone can sit on the sidelines and find faults. Part of the solution or part of the problem...your choice.

[elleng]

57. Will drive thru OH, from MD, to KY for wedding in few weeks.

Curious about what I'll see. Prolly won't discuss politics w strangers at the wedding.

[tonyt53]

62. Depends on where you go through in OH and to in KY.

[elleng]

68. I guess so. Pretty much 'central' OH,

MD to West Liberty, thru Columbus > Cinti, > Louisville.

[emulatorloo]

73. Don't you remember when Peggy Noonan said Romney would win because she saw more yard signs?

I would put too much stock in 'yard sign polls'. Yard signs don't vote.

[elleng]

78. I won't focus on 'yard signs' or bumper stickers,

but interested in what I hear and see.

[emulatorloo]

82. Sounds like a fun trip! Take care and safe travels, be sure to let us know how it went.

[elleng]

83. Yes, could be a fun trip!

Includes driving near my college town.

Wedding not til Oct. 8, but y'all will be with me, nights anyway!

[emulatorloo]

87. Nice, would love to visit my college town again!

Am a fan of weddings, everyone is in such a warm and friendly mood.

See you here in the evenings!

[TexasTowelie]

143. I hope that you won't hear anything at all

since you are going to a wedding. It's boorish and rude to talk about topics like religion and politics during wedding festivities.

I wouldn't count on the bumper stickers meaning anything either. My brother has a Trump sticker on his truck, but I ride with him on occasion and I'll give you my personal guaranty that I'll be cancelling out his vote--that's if he bothers to vote because my voting record is much better than his.

[tonyt53]

80. From Cincy to Louisville on I-71, you should be in pretty safe HRC territory.

But don't stop at the NASCAR track area around Sparta, KY.

[elleng]

88. Hope not,

but wedding's @ 'Speed Art Museum,' near the University!

[tonyt53]

100. Actually, that is downtown. UL main campus is about 2 miles in a straight line.

Fourth St. Live is lots of fun though.

[michaz]

63. Nothing wrong with making your own sign and getting people out knocking on doors. That works

too. There is more to be done in Ohio and it needs those living there to do it. Not sitting on the computer and complaining and being depressed about it.

[markpkessinger]

67. You don't know what my friend is or is not doing . . .

. . . the point is, he paid the campaign for a sign, because he is supporting the campaign, and is being told to wait six to eight weeks. That is ridiculous by any measure.

[michaz]

86. My statement was to be a general statement not a bash at your friend. n/t

[deathrind]

66. If HRC does not win this...

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...it will be nobody's fault but her own. Her campaign during the primaries and now has not conducted itself with the sense of desire / respect / urgency that past campaigns candidates have conveyed to be President. A million signs can be printed with her images saying "Her Turn" but that does make it so. She needs to realize that she is not a shoe in to win this election and get her campaign in gear. Trump is by far the most divisive person and unprepared person ever to run for President...HRC should be leading by double digits, the fact that polls show this election being a tight race and in some place has trump ahead is a wake up call she needs to take very seriously.

[emulatorloo]

79. Fuck the bullshit "Her Turn" meme, Bob.

Primary is over.

[uponit7771]

141. Chuck full of winter meme... "She should be leading" is bullshit when Trump is getting a pass

[Johnny2X2X]

70. Agree

I've donated several times and was promised both a sign and a bumper sticker, nothing has arrived in the mail weeks later. I called the local office and they said they won't have signs until October.

[MADem]

72. WAAAH! I turned into a Hillary Hater because some schmuck in the 'gear' shop screwed up my sign

order!!!!!! :eyeroll:


If that's what it takes, your "friend" is an idiot who needs to get HIS act together. If I were in your shoes, I'd work on getting better friends.

This just stinks of concern. Maybe you can ask your "friend" who he thinks Conald Trump will choose for the Supreme Court...? And then, perhaps, ask him to contrast that with the "delay" in receiving his sign?

He can get a free sign by going to the campaign HQ nearest him. The ones from the "gear shop" are souvenir items, which will be a (to quote Joe Biden) Big Fucking Deal when HRC is sworn in as the first female POTUS in the history of our nation.

[markpkessinger]

77. It wasn't some "schmuck in the 'gear' shop" . . .

. . . it was a form response telling him to wait 6-8 weeks after charging $12 for shipping. And neither my friend, nor I, are "Hillary haters."

[MADem]

89. The idea behind buying "gear" is to donate to the campaign.

Obviously, the signs are popular items and are backordered.

I suppose if she had her shit printed in China your "friend" could get it quicker.

He wants a sign? Tell him to get off his ass and go to a campaign office. Where does he live? Ohio, you say? Let me help you:

He can go to this link and learn how to get his FREE yard sign: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/states/ohio/

He can send a tweet to this guy and ask where the nearest office is: https://twitter.com/chwyant (he's running the ground game in OH).


I'm sorry--I can't muster up the level of "concern" you are expressing, here. Again, the purpose of buying 'gear' is to support the campaign and have a tangible memento for so doing.

[markpkessinger]

119. Sure, but it still imposes an obligation on the campaign to deliver the items

I'm frankly astounded that you would state otherwise.

[pnwmom]

75. FWIW, I agree. I wish there was a faster turn-around from the Hillary store. n/t

[markpkessinger]

81. You know folks, if you want to dismiss this post, go right ahead . . .

. . .but may I respectfully suggest that refighting primary season rivalries will not win this election.

[BobbyDrake]

104. You and the JPR crowd are the ones still fighting the primary, so stop already.

And stop pretending your intent here was anything other than quoting your "friend" because he was saying something negative about HRC while you're at it.

[markpkessinger]

106. Again, if you have one shred of decency . . .

Look also at my Facebook timeline, and tell me again that I'm just out to denigrate Hillary. You are truly despicable.

https://www.facebook.com/markpkessinger

[BobbyDrake]

108. Being called "despicable" by someone who copies and paste their "friend's" anti-HRC Facebook post

isn't quite the zinger you think it is.

Self-delete your thread.

[B2G]

121. Says the poster who's been here for 3 months...

[BobbyDrake]

129. Zero months posting on the JPR hate-site though, so I'm still ahead.

[BlueInPhilly]

135. That's uncalled for

The length of time or the # of posts is no indicator of anyone's sincerity. We all started somewhere.

Delete your post

[B2G]

139. Nope. His posts were uncalled for. nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

90. I live in one of the most liberal parts of MD (Montgomery County) and have yet to see more than

5 HRC signs.

[csziggy]

95. I ordered several items July 23 - still have not gotten a single one

I've called twice. First time about three weeks after the order I was told everything had been on backorder but was in stock and I should get them soon.

Second time I called last Friday I was told one thing was still on backorder, two were in stock and did I want those shipped right away? Uh, yeah - I wanted the two shirts the weekend before Labor Day when I was hosting a GOTV event out of my house! My husband wanted to wear his "I'm with HER" shirt to wear while he was out registering people to vote.

Oh - the phone number to call on the Hillary Store FAQ page has been incorrect since mid August. I reported it when I called the first time, got a recording with a different number to call. When I called the other day it was still not fixed on the website.

During our event I asked for a yard sign to mark my driveway for the four days only - the Clinton HQ for the capital city of Florida had NO SIGNS! The field organizer had three bumper stickers. That was all he could get. He left me one and put one on the sign (that I have for another event we have semi-regularly). I gave away the one he gave me to another volunteer so he left me the one on the sign. I gave that one away to a Hillary supporter since I don't put stickers on my car plus I don't go anywhere often enough for it to have visibility.

We had similar problems in 2008 with the Obama campaign but by mid September we had many, many signs, bumper stickers, buttons and tee shirts.

[renate]

109. I agree with you that it's important to get Hillary signs and bumper stickers out promptly

It is--incredibly, unbelievably--seen as normal behavior, now, to support Trump, and seeing his signs and bumper stickers everywhere just normalizes it even more.

I can't imagine that the election results hinge on whether your friend gets his sign before the election or not, but if this is a systemic problem the effects of thousands of missing yard signs could add up. If one candidate's name is everywhere and the other one's isn't, it'd be easy for a low-information voter to get the mistaken idea that voting for Trump is not risible after all.

[GreenPartyVoter]

128. Exactly. We have to drive through "Trump Alley" to leave town. Very depressing!

[dicksmc3]

110. A lot of CRICKETS form Clinton campaign

I've written at least 3 times to the campaign complaining about how they are running things. Especially with Robbie Mook who I fell is a very inadequate clown. I have heard from them ONCE telling me thanks for contacting us if you would like to donate 1$ it will be appreciated. This BS is what's hurting her with Sanders supporters! They need to get their act together AND REAL FAST NOVEMBER 8 IS GETTING CLOSER EVERYDAY!!

[markpkessinger]

136. How to lose an election to Donald Trump . . .

(1) Run a campaign organization that is seen as aloof and unresponsive to supporters;

(2) Staff your campaign with people who are more concerned about anybody airing the campaign's dirty laundry than doing what they need to do to win an election.

[BobbyDrake]

145. Malign HRC supporters all you want; your FB friend will still be an idiot.

Because getting a bitter malcontent who is still fighting the primary their yard sign has zero to do with "win(ing) an election."

[Blue_Tires]

116. Why order a sign?

If your friend volunteers at the local dem campaign headquarters, they'll probably just give him one if they have them in stock...

[asiliveandbreathe]

138. It seems to me most Democratic voters KNOW where their

DNC headquarters is in their state..unless they just started paying attention....unless.....hummmmmmmm - could this be..hummmmmm - I just called my friends at DNC hdqts here in Phoenix..no problem -

BTW - YOU AIN"T SEEN NOTHIN" YET -

If you see trump or a debate moderator - could you PULEEZ forward this list for us..your contribution to the effort..tks.....

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/14/hillary-clinton-press-job-20-questions-donald-trump-answer.html

You can also volunteer to make calls in your state..it's fun...

[Thrill]

140. Unreal to be losing this assclown

[emulatorloo]

183. Yeah, that's the latest Bob meme, thanks for sharing

[vi5]

142. Stop! She has the infrastructure!

She is a fighter!
She's been doing this for decades!
She's got a veteran campaign staff!
She's going to trounce Trump!
The polls are wrong!
It's all the medias fault!!

If I missed anything let me know.

[emulatorloo]

152. Translation: She's a corporappuratus! A neon-liberal! Satin's daughter! e-VILE, B-itchy & scratch-y

Ho-ar,

a fuCking BUNT!

Only online Polls are TRUE!


Yep, We've got all the memes memorized.

[markpkessinger]

169. One could almost make an order-by-number menu out of the responses . . .

. . . then we could all save ourselves the typing and just write, "# 6!"

[Cattledog]

144. I got my sign last week.

[betsuni]

151. For want of a yard sign, the election was lost.

Thanks, Hillary!11!!!

[emulatorloo]

155. ...

[markpkessinger]

166. Way to miss the point entirely n/t

[betsuni]

180. By all means, keep singing The Yard Sign Blues. Quite enjoy.

[wisteria]

158. Yard sign and stickers only work on the truly ignorant.

Sure, put them out to support your candidate, but they are a waste otherwise. By the way, I have 2 signs in my yard.

[markpkessinger]

167. It isn't about yard signs and stickers . . .

. . . it is about being responsive to your supporters.

[radical noodle]

176. I don't know where he lives in Ohio

but if there's a campaign office nearby, he should try asking them. I got an email that there were yard signs at the campaign office where we've helped register voters. You're right, it makes no sense to get a yard sign in 6-8 weeks.

[kacekwl]

178. This shows where the concern is. Almost 200 replys at this point for the stupidest response to a

comment ever. Could the Hillary campaign get stuff to DONATORS quicker. Seems like a reasonable request from someone who DONATED to her campaign. I'm beginning to see what is important here these days.

[BlueInPhilly]

179. This thread has not been closed?

@markpkessinger - I will personally send you the $ your friend spent plus the $12 shipping he paid for. Send me a note and I will PayPal it to you.

But for pete's sake, stop this now.

ADMINS - PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! IT HAS BECOME A PISSING CONTEST AND IT IS NOT HELPFUL!

[BlueMTexpat]

188. I would suggest that both you and your

friend contact your local Dem party and/or attend a Hillary event in your area.

I attended one here - in Switzerland - last night and came home with LOTS of swag. While all things may come to those who wait, they come much faster to those who seize the opportunity.

Too many seem to believe that campaigns are won and lost on the internet. In the end, it's physical on-the-ground action that will carry the day.

It's a shame - yes - that some swag costs a lot to mail and takes time to receive. Have you and your friend thought through that most of those who are doing the mailing, etc. are unpaid volunteers? You might think of lending a hand yourself.