Would we be btter off without these secessionist wanna-bees?
cross posted from Penigma.blogspot.com:
Not the entire states; would we be better off just without the lunatic individuals who WANT to secede?
Can we just send them away somewhere? Maybe buy one of those private islands for them, set them up with the fair market value of their property, see they are equipped to survive ---------- and then leave them to it, their own teeny tiny ever so silly little world, all their own.
Let's give them what they want - their own alternate reality paradise where they can engage in black ops conspiracy mania all they want, without annoying the heck out of the rest of us.
Let them engage in their own mini-anarchic little world of failure and folly. Provide them a good supply of silly pseudo-patriot costumes, flag props, and a whole lot of tea bags! And SPF sunscreen 30 at least, because you can bet most of them will be pale, old, crabby and flabby.
Of course, there is that nagging little detail that looms large -- they do not represent their respective states. I rather doubt they have any significant legal legs on which to stand, but standing is not essential in the lalala land of people who shove their thumbs in their ears, waggle their fingers, and try to drowned out the sounds of reality with shrill monosyllables.
I wonder how many of them are going to take the incredibly foolish step when they are turned down of trying to start another shooting war? Those domestic drones may be working overtime very soon, which is a perfectly appropriate use of them in dealing with domestic terrorists or citizens who commit treason (if, but only IF they take up arms against the lawful government of the United States, and their fellow citizens, including those in the armed forces).
Crazy conservatives; and they wonder why we find them so toxic?
From the Examiner:
Citizens in 15 states file petitions to secede from United States
Secession November 11, 2012 By: Joe Newby
As a result of Tuesday's election, Americans in 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States, Regina Conley reported at Red Alert Politics on Saturday.
So far, she says, residents in Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, Colorado, New Jersey and ten other states, have filed petitions at the White House petition site requesting secession. A petition for New York to secede was file by "C R" of Grand Forks, North Dakota on Saturday.
Examiner's Sheila Carroll says those other states include Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Oregon.
On November 7, the day after the election, "Michael E" from Slidell, Louisiana, filed a petition at the White House "We the People" site, requesting that Louisiana be allowed to secede.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation," the petition reads, quoting the Declaration of Independence.
As of this writing, the petition has 8.162 signatures and needs 16,838 to reach a goal of 25,000.
On Friday, a Texas resident created a petition to secede in order to protect the standard of living Texans now enjoy.
"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government," the petition reads.
As of this writing, that petition had 5,289 signatures.
The Oregon petition, started Saturday by "Kristopher W" of Tillamook, Oregon, wants the state to remain an ally of the United States and possibly vote to rejoin the Union once "the citizens of Oregon felt the Federal Government was no longer imposing" what it calls a tyrannical government that cares nothing about the future of Oregon's children."
Petitions on the White House site have 30 days to reach a threshold of 25,000 signatures.
"While these petitions serve more to make a point than to present a serious proposition, they are a physical symbol of the deep resentment for the direction in which the United States is moving under the Obama administration," Conley added.
Psssssssst! Conley? Did you NOT GET THE MEMO, or read or see or hear the news? President Obama WON re-election by a significant number of votes. Dumbass Dubya won (sort of) and he had the gall to call that a MANDATE, and POLITICAL CAPITAL. Obama has more couth than to put it that way, but the bottom line is that 1. it is unlikely you will get 25,000 valid signatures on those petitions; and 2. so what? You don't represent a point of view that deserves to be taken seriously, because you are severely factually challenged.
Now, I know you like to listen to stupid people wind you up, who have somehow achieve a rank or title in spite of being reality-challenged, like this guy. But there is something functionally wrong with you if he makes sense. When people like this other guy (and my but you DO seem to have more than your fair share of wack-a-doodle nut jobs in Texas, by the way) try to tell you that the U.N. is coming to take over the country (or to take your guns), please - PLEASE - do try to remember that these people are an embarrassment to your state and local communities, on a par with Michele Bachmann's lunacies in Minnesota. Don't listen to them, don't pay any heed to them; they are not reliable, and they're making shit up. Frankly, if you believe this kind of bullshit, you should consider seeking custodial care of your affairs, because you are clearly mentally deficient, and not only NOT capable of running your own secessionist little state, you're of dubious ability to look after yourself without drooling.
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It's an interesting argument. I really do see two nations when I look at the national red/blue map. Perhaps an amicable break up before any shooting starts is a good idea. I'm not talking about any kind of grade school B.S. about blocking international waterways or building walls, etc. (we don't tolerate the rethugs talking that BS about Mexico so we shouldn't do that in this case either)
Anyway, I think it's an idea that would be worth discussing rationally as adults.
All of them have signatures from residents of numerous states. You'd think, if you wanted your little petition drive to have any legitimacy, that you'd insist on keeping your state's petition open to your state's residents only... I wish I had access to a CSV file for each petition. I'd dump it into Excel and run a cross-reference on the entire database. I bet you we'd find the same names popping up on several of these.
Not that it matters. These people are talking to the wrong government body, anyway! They'd need to take the matter up with their respective state governments (all of whom, I'm sure, would say something along the lines of "Get the **** out of here!"
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It will be interesting to see what the White House says, assuming that any one of these does get to 25,000.
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There's the door, don't let it hit you on the way OUT!
Buh-bye!! 
It's not spelled SECDEE!