2016 Postmortem
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http://time.com/4509441/presidential-debates-donald-trump-relationships/This is not just a political disagreement, as if one of you supports free trade agreements because you think they bolster the economy and the other believes theyve wreaked havoc on the American working class. Its not a difference of political opinion, where you both want to see low-income Americans thrive, but you disagree on how to get there. This is about fundamental values: How should we treat other human beings? Is blatant, aggressive racism acceptable? Are women human?
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A vote for Trump is an affirmation of racism, sexism, and bigotry. Even if you personally swear up and down you are not racist, sexist or bigoted, you cant support putting someone hateful in the highest national office and claim your own innocenceit doesnt work like that. If you support a racist, sexist bigot, you are supporting a racist, sexist bigotand that reflects back on you, and suggests you too might be a racist, sexist bigot. If youre dating someone who supports a racist, sexist bigot, you are either actually dating a racist, sexist bigot, or youre dating someone who pledges his allegiance racist, sexist bigots. Its a distinction without a meaningful difference.
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If your partners response to bigotry is So what, that tells you everything you need to know about their character. If youre a woman, this isnt some ephemeral idea or hazy theoryits about you, and your very humanity. Your partner hears that someone hates womena category to which you belongand this person thinks youre less capable than men and even less than human, and his response is to validate that persons aspirations to one of the most powerful positions in the world, and shrug off your concerns as so what.
So what? Dont be with someone who thinks its ok for people to hate you is what. Dont be with someone who is willing to support those who would blithely disrespect you. Dont be with someone who, in his so what, renders your existence a political talking point or a funny punch line or some desirable ability to say what he thinks without consequences. There is not value in everyone saying aloud everything that runs through ones mind, especially when it comes to ugly, uncharitable, prejudiced thoughts; what Trumps fans are applauding isnt just that he says the previously taboo, but that he thinks it and seeks to normalize it. They agree with what Trump thinks. And what he thinks is that you dont matter. Why is that enviable and authentic anti-PC truth-telling instead of the more obvious Wow, this guy is an authentically sexist jerk?
When you cast your ballot in November, you arent voting for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Youre voting for a scared pregnant teenager in Arkansas who doesnt know how shes going to make this work. Youre voting for the son of undocumented immigrant parents in California who fears his family will be torn apart. Youre voting for a Muslim family in Oklahoma who thought they knew their neighbors and now arent so sure. Youre voting for the single mom in Wisconsin whos just trying to hold it all together. When youre voting in November, youre answering the question: How do these people deserve to be treated in the United States of America?
When your boyfriend or husband supports Trump, hes answering that question too. Which should lead you to another one: Why is this the man you choose?
Supporting Trump is per se evidence of moral degeneracy and compromised character.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)He's a maggot.
They are maggots.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they have nothing meaningful in common with us from a moral, cultural and political sense.
metroins
(2,550 posts)And I think it is counter productive to do broad brushed attacks.
I'm not going to defend Trump, but many people partly follow politics or just go with party platform.
Insulting people for their political beliefs is not helpful. My mother in law votes R because she's ultra religious and Fox News has her believing Democrats want to remove religion. She doesn't understand Hillary is more Christian than Trump, she's voting Trump for that reason.
Otherwise she's a wonderful person.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There is literally nothing about Trump that suggests any connection to any aspect of Christian theology.
metroins
(2,550 posts)And think you are living in a bubble.
Broad Brushing American voters is a bad idea.
I think you sound bigoted the way you are portraying fellow citizens in a very close minded way.
Attack the opposing candidate, build up our platform and bring in more voters. Insulting the voting public is a bad strategy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Trump is a bigot at the head of a white nationalist movement, and anyone who's voting for him is objectively, in a very literal sense, actively promoting bigotry. Voting for Trump materially promotes bigotry, helps make it socially more acceptable, and makes it more likely to inflict suffering on oppressed minorities.
To support a man so shamelessly cruel, so outwardly bigoted, so publicly and obviously disinterested in the welfare of other human beings, requires a person to ignore any and all principles of public morality and civic virtue.
"Moral rot" is the default explanation for voting for Trump.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Why tolerate stupid?
Just my opinion.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)Kind of like someone stating anyone who votes for Hillary supports infidelity because she stayed married to Bill Clinton after all his public infidelities. Just wouldn't fly.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)for the record, only an idiot would blame Clinton for Bill's infidelity.
patricia92243
(12,597 posts)man and good to me and mine.