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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:17 PM Sep 2016

Break Up With That Trump Supporter

http://time.com/4509441/presidential-debates-donald-trump-relationships/


This is not just a political disagreement, as if one of you supports free trade agreements because you think they bolster the economy and the other believes they’ve wreaked havoc on the American working class. It’s not a difference of political opinion, where you both want to see low-income Americans thrive, but you disagree on how to get there. This is about fundamental values: How should we treat other human beings? Is blatant, aggressive racism acceptable? Are women human?

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A vote for Trump is an affirmation of racism, sexism, and bigotry. Even if you personally swear up and down you are not racist, sexist or bigoted, you can’t support putting someone hateful in the highest national office and claim your own innocence—it doesn’t work like that. If you support a racist, sexist bigot, you are supporting a racist, sexist bigot—and that reflects back on you, and suggests you too might be a racist, sexist bigot. If you’re dating someone who supports a racist, sexist bigot, you are either actually dating a racist, sexist bigot, or you’re dating someone who pledges his allegiance racist, sexist bigots. It’s a distinction without a meaningful difference.

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If your partner’s response to bigotry is “So what,” that tells you everything you need to know about their character. If you’re a woman, this isn’t some ephemeral idea or hazy theory—it’s about you, and your very humanity. Your partner hears that someone hates women—a category to which you belong—and this person thinks you’re less capable than men and even less than human, and his response is to validate that person’s aspirations to one of the most powerful positions in the world, and shrug off your concerns as “so what.”

So what? Don’t be with someone who thinks it’s ok for people to hate you is what. Don’t be with someone who is willing to support those who would blithely disrespect you. Don’t be with someone who, in his “so what,” renders your existence a political talking point or a funny punch line or some desirable ability to say what he thinks without consequences. There is not value in everyone saying aloud everything that runs through one’s mind, especially when it comes to ugly, uncharitable, prejudiced thoughts; what Trump’s fans are applauding isn’t just that he says the previously taboo, but that he thinks it and seeks to normalize it. They agree with what Trump thinks. And what he thinks is that you don’t matter. Why is that enviable and authentic anti-PC truth-telling instead of the more obvious “Wow, this guy is an authentically sexist jerk”?

When you cast your ballot in November, you aren’t voting for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. You’re voting for a scared pregnant teenager in Arkansas who doesn’t know how she’s going to make this work. You’re voting for the son of undocumented immigrant parents in California who fears his family will be torn apart. You’re voting for a Muslim family in Oklahoma who thought they knew their neighbors and now aren’t so sure. You’re voting for the single mom in Wisconsin who’s just trying to hold it all together. When you’re voting in November, you’re answering the question: How do these people deserve to be treated in the United States of America?

When your boyfriend or husband supports Trump, he’s answering that question too. Which should lead you to another one: Why is this the man you choose?


Supporting Trump is per se evidence of moral degeneracy and compromised character.
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Break Up With That Trump Supporter (Original Post) geek tragedy Sep 2016 OP
Not to mention MFM008 Sep 2016 #1
they're certainly deplorable. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #2
I disagree metroins Sep 2016 #3
anyone who votes for Trump objectively supports bigotry geek tragedy Sep 2016 #4
I completely disagree with you metroins Sep 2016 #5
I said "objectively supports bigotry" and that's really undeniable. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #7
You are right. It is time to turn your back on all Trump supporters. UCmeNdc Sep 2016 #6
it is kind of a broad statement DustyJoe Sep 2016 #10
Lol, you picked up on the week's theme. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #11
Silly post. I am not getting a divorce just because my husband is a Republican. He is a good patricia92243 Sep 2016 #8
marriage is one thing, dating is another. nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #9
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. they're certainly deplorable.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:25 PM
Sep 2016

they have nothing meaningful in common with us from a moral, cultural and political sense.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
3. I disagree
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:26 PM
Sep 2016

And I think it is counter productive to do broad brushed attacks.

I'm not going to defend Trump, but many people partly follow politics or just go with party platform.

Insulting people for their political beliefs is not helpful. My mother in law votes R because she's ultra religious and Fox News has her believing Democrats want to remove religion. She doesn't understand Hillary is more Christian than Trump, she's voting Trump for that reason.

Otherwise she's a wonderful person.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. anyone who votes for Trump objectively supports bigotry
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:30 PM
Sep 2016

There is literally nothing about Trump that suggests any connection to any aspect of Christian theology.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
5. I completely disagree with you
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:33 PM
Sep 2016

And think you are living in a bubble.

Broad Brushing American voters is a bad idea.

I think you sound bigoted the way you are portraying fellow citizens in a very close minded way.

Attack the opposing candidate, build up our platform and bring in more voters. Insulting the voting public is a bad strategy.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. I said "objectively supports bigotry" and that's really undeniable.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:38 PM
Sep 2016

Trump is a bigot at the head of a white nationalist movement, and anyone who's voting for him is objectively, in a very literal sense, actively promoting bigotry. Voting for Trump materially promotes bigotry, helps make it socially more acceptable, and makes it more likely to inflict suffering on oppressed minorities.

To support a man so shamelessly cruel, so outwardly bigoted, so publicly and obviously disinterested in the welfare of other human beings, requires a person to ignore any and all principles of public morality and civic virtue.

"Moral rot" is the default explanation for voting for Trump.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
6. You are right. It is time to turn your back on all Trump supporters.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:37 PM
Sep 2016

Why tolerate stupid?

Just my opinion.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
10. it is kind of a broad statement
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:50 PM
Sep 2016

Kind of like someone stating anyone who votes for Hillary supports infidelity because she stayed married to Bill Clinton after all his public infidelities. Just wouldn't fly.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Lol, you picked up on the week's theme.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:58 PM
Sep 2016

for the record, only an idiot would blame Clinton for Bill's infidelity.

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)
8. Silly post. I am not getting a divorce just because my husband is a Republican. He is a good
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:55 PM
Sep 2016

man and good to me and mine.

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