Pence is terrifyingly good

[Recursion]

Kaine is doing well, but Pence terrifies me.

[Johnny2X2X]

1. Huh?

He's getting beaten by Kaine. He's better than Trump though.

[SusanCalvin]

28. To us, maybe.

What I'm concerned about is undecided low-informations. I think he could snow them.

[CentralMass]

2. He is projecting calm.

[Xipe Totec]

9. Yes he is. He's a slimy one, but he projects calm. nt

[tblue37]

25. Former radio personality, isn't he? Of course, when Hillary displayed calm competence and

a complete command of information and policy details vs. Trump's manic idiocy and boorishness, she was slammed by supposedly nonpartisan pundits as being smug.

Her ability to maintain control and not flap her arms, mug for the cameras, or rudely interrupt and talk over her opponent was criticized for being "robotic."

She was criticized as cold, "not human" or "relatable." Her intense preparation was presented as signifying some sort of character flaw, as though it was proof that she was the suck-up nerd in schools that no normal person could possibly like, or even tolerate.

Basically, because of her competence, preparation, and self-control, she was Tracy Flicked.

BTW, that movie was--unintentionally, I think--a perfect representation of the way certain men cannot bear to see a woman openly display ambition and climb to the top by virtue of intelligence, hard work, meticulous preparation, and sheer grit.

Even as we chuckled at the foolish, self-destructive lengths the Matthew Broderick character went to in his attempt to derail her campaign, we were also supposed to find Tracy Flick as repulsive as the protagonist did.

We were meant to despise her open ambition and her insistence on responding when a question was asked in class, thus "showing off" how intelligent and well-prepared she was to answer any question the teacher might pose.

The personable but simple-minded jock the teacher recruited to run against her was a perfect embodiment of the shallow figurehead politician manipulated by others to serve their own agenda.

And the movie's attitude toward Tracy Flick is all too recognizable, all too familiar to smart, ambitious women who break the rule that says women do not belong in the public sphere where important decisions are made, that women are not supposed to push themselves forward, seek the spotlight, or attempt to outshine men.

[Pathwalker]

33. Not with the sound off, he isn't.

He comes off as very angry.

[Xipe Totec]

41. Ha Ha! Well, that's not a fair comparison, is it?

I mean some of us are listening.

[Pathwalker]

46. True, but it's much better for my blood pressure!

I've been known to yell at the TV when I have to listen to Repukes lie, IOW when they speak.

[Arkana]

35. So did Donald Grant in "From Russia With Love".

Didn't make him not a psycho, and Kaine did well enough tonight to keep the needle from moving.

[DCBob]

3. Yeah, he is.

If he was running for Prez it might be more competitive.

[Recursion]

6. Exactly

I'm glad this ticket is in the order it's in.

[femmocrat]

4. He is very smooth.

He hosted a right wing radio show, so he has some experience.

[DawgHouse]

5. Compared to Trump, yes. But who wouldn't be good compared to Trump?

[MoonRiver]

7. No he's pretty lame, to me.

[catbyte]

8. Actually, my worst fear isn't a Trump presidency. The worst would be Trump quits, is impeached, then

we have President Pence. He's smart and scary evil. Both scenarios are unspeakable, but I think pence would do much more damage.

[reflection]

10. I'm disappointed in Kaine a bit.

He is interrupting quite a bit. I think he is a nice guy and he doesn't look good talking over Pence as much as he is. He needs to reel it back. Pence Is letting him speak. All that aside, screw Pence.

[jcgoldie]

11. I don't think we're seeing the same debate

Pence isn't going to fall apart like Trump, but Kaine has been on offense for the majority of the time.

[Lemonwurst]

12. Non-political people will like him

He's dead wrong on the issues, but many people (and our media) will not care about that. That's why we have to keep pulling them along into the future, and it's an awful, unending slog.

[SusanCalvin]

30. Exactly. nt

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

13. No, he just looks angry and mean

And he is boring as hell. Monotone...

[Cakes488]

14. Pence is OUT OF HIS MIND...saying Clinton's campaign is insult ridden

I was just going to say something nice about the guy but then he said THAT!!!

[RandySF]

15. Pence was a radio talk show host

[BumRushDaShow]

16. He will not stay on topic

because their campaign is in tatters.

[dhol82]

17. Have to agree

He is very calm and very smooth.
Makes him very, very dangerous.

[Avalux]

18. Nah. He's creepy as hell and lying his ass off.

Kaine is doing a good job IMHO, I'm not worried.

[George Eliot]

19. Bet Pence will be declared winner. Kaine must stop interrupting.

[herding cats]

20. Maybe.

He's calm, sure. But, he reminds me of a bad meditation video. I keep focusing on the pitch and rhythm of his speech rather than the words.

[BlueStater]

21. He's smooth and calm, I'll give him that.

There certainly is zero substance to any of defenses of the orange turd, though.

[hamsterjill]

22. Pence is more dominant.

I'm not liking this. Pence is slime, but he's coming across as more dominant.

Come on Tim!!! I'm rooting for you!!!

[hatrack]

23. No, he's a polished liar . . .

Polished, but a liar and sack of shit nonetheless.

[mcar]

24. Whut?

He's smarmy and awful.

[Recursion]

31. You joined in 2012? (nt)

[SusanCalvin]

27. Agreed. nt

[chillfactor]

29. I do not think

you are seeing the same debate I am....and I really am very tired of our negative comments.....this is DU..we SUPPORT our ticket here...are you sure you are in the right blog...Freedom Works may be more your style.

[Bobbie Jo]

32. No he's not.

Pence is out of his depth, and it shows.

[Sparkly]

34. Good at what?

The ol' Gish Galop!

The duck and weave!

The sleight of hand!

And the simple art of BS-ery... Which is why moderators matter, and this one might as well not be there.

[Puzzledtraveller]

36. I never liked Kaine so it does make it

appear like Pence is routing him. I think Kaine was a bad choice but overall I don't think it will have much of an effect except that Hillary could have picked someone more momentous and less in the establishment mold. Someone people would be interested in. Kaine has this look too, I know it's superficial but he just looks mean.

[synergie]

45. So you think Kaine is doing badly because you don't like him, not due to the actual

debate? Got it.

[retrowire]

37. Well, he's the trained politician of the duo.

Trump is the idiot.

But, at least Trump is the head of the train that will be derailed.

[Cobalt Violet]

38. eewwwwwwwwwwww.

maybe if you like right wing nuts

[Maven]

39. How many of these threads do you need? nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

40. His monotone puts me to sleep

[bigtree]

42. more props for the conservative bigot?

...tell us, please, exactly what you agree with Pence on in this debate?

[synergie]

44. He's terrifying in his level of dishonesty and utter idiocy. But he's not good at all.

Do you not realize that his lies are pretty easily disproved? He's terrifyingly stupid and terrifyingly dishonest. No one with a slight clue thought he was "good".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

47. Kaine rattled Pence multiple times; couldn't defend tRump. Kaine was rock solid after first 10 min.

[kairos12]

48. He is the handsy uncle at the Thanksgiving table.