2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum‘Keys to the White House’ analysis predicts a popular victory by Trump
REUTERS
05 OCT 2016 AT 12:26 ET
The forces influencing the U.S. presidential election favor Republican nominee Donald Trump to win the popular vote but even proven prediction models face the most difficult election by far to predict accurately, a political forecaster with a three-decade winning streak said on Wednesday.
History Professor Allan Lichtman of American University in Washington has accurately predicted the popular result in presidential elections since Republican President Ronald Reagan defeated Democratic challenger Walter Mondale in 1984.
Although the number of ballots cast by voters for each candidate counts, it does not ultimately determine who takes the White House. In a process known as the Electoral College, the candidate who wins a majority of 538 electoral votes is the victor. Each state and the District of Columbia is allocated a certain number of those votes, and the candidates have to amass them state-by-state on Election Day.
While Lichtmans Keys to the White House analysis predicts a popular victory by Trump, some other models, such as FiveThirtyEights and The New York Times, have given Democratic rival Hillary Clinton a large probability of victory.
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radical noodle
(8,015 posts)This is probably Lichtman's year. I don't think anything in his equation takes the "crazy" into account.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)leading to their prediction or on which their prediction is based?
The explanation of the electoral college passage is true as far as it goes, but does not analyze why they believe, despite polling now trending toward Clinton-Kaine, that Trump-Pence will win.
Not sure what's going on here.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)At least 6-7 points now. How do they make that up in a few weeks? They have never been ahead in the national averages. The idea that they would come from behind to win, after trailing 99.9% of the election is ridiculous
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)demographic, don't seem to support any trend toward Trump-Pence and clearly show increased support for Clinton-Kaine.
If FiveThirtyEight is wrong, I'm wondering why Lichtman thinks he's right, and how Lichtman reached his findings. At the moment it just does not look as if Trump-Pence can appeal to various demographic voter groups in high enough percentages to best Romney's performance, and Romney lost.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... like the other models have done and ignore the demo number of 2006 as if the critical mass of PoC didn't happen !!!
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)distinguishing variable was but couldn't find one.
Trump is pissing in his own bucket in this campaign. This is the last few weeks. He's likely under more pressure now than he's ever been. I'm not sure he can make it through to Nov. 8 without embarrassing himself even more. The Clinton-Kaine campaign ads largely just show Trump barking Trump's own words. Since the first presidential debate at Hoftra, HRC's percentage have risen and Trump's have slipped.
It might be good for one of the more thoughtful tv interviewers -- maybe Charlie Rose -- to have Lichtman on to ask if he thinks his prediction model might be upended by Trump's particular personality.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)this was an election like other ones-it is not. So he might be surprised....
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Maybe he's been at this too long.
Trump & the Republican Party wil not be given the keys to the White House in 2016.
I'm predicting that.
TRUMP-BS-DETECTOR
(68 posts)Hillary will take both the popular & electoral college. That is complete nonsense that she could
lose the popular vote. Her ground game alone will bring in millions more votes.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sides
Mass
(27,315 posts)rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Are you counting the votes in Florida, or going with the Supreme Court?
gabeana
(3,166 posts)I was wondering that myself
Orsino
(37,428 posts)yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)like Trump. He did not quite say it but he certainly hinted that he thinks his model might be wrong this year. Also his "keys" to the election are a bit subjective and not nearly as sensitive/accurate as the mathematical models of Sam Wang and Nate Silver, which account for demographic differences in battleground states much better than Lichtman's keys do.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Consider trump will lose California by close 20%...,New York by nearly the same, Illinois and Mass. by 15%..Pennsylvannia by 10%.....and trump has no commanding lead in any of the populous states to speak of....and close election margins in Texas, Arizona...Georgia....so I see nowhere trump can total popular vote lead under any scenario...that professor is smoking crack
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Lichtman on crack."
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Cakes488
(874 posts)pnwmom
(109,011 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)I remember, during the primaries, a story about a county in Maine that had correctly voted for every winner since 1948 or whatever. They voted for Sanders. Guess who won the nomination?
Determining who will win by the actions or guesses of someone or something that hasn't been wrong in a long time is idiotic.