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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:39 PM Oct 2016

‘Keys to the White House’ analysis predicts a popular victory by Trump

REUTERS
05 OCT 2016 AT 12:26 ET

The forces influencing the U.S. presidential election favor Republican nominee Donald Trump to win the popular vote – but even proven prediction models face “the most difficult election by far to predict accurately,” a political forecaster with a three-decade winning streak said on Wednesday.

History Professor Allan Lichtman of American University in Washington has accurately predicted the popular result in presidential elections since Republican President Ronald Reagan defeated Democratic challenger Walter Mondale in 1984.

Although the number of ballots cast by voters for each candidate counts, it does not ultimately determine who takes the White House. In a process known as the Electoral College, the candidate who wins a majority of 538 electoral votes is the victor. Each state and the District of Columbia is allocated a certain number of those votes, and the candidates have to amass them state-by-state on Election Day.

While Lichtman’s “Keys to the White House” analysis predicts a popular victory by Trump, some other models, such as FiveThirtyEight’s and The New York Times’, have given Democratic rival Hillary Clinton a large probability of victory.

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‘Keys to the White House’ analysis predicts a popular victory by Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2016 OP
Everyone has to be wrong sometime radical noodle Oct 2016 #1
Do they offer any analysis of factors saltpoint Oct 2016 #2
They are starting to lag behind badly Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #5
Agree. The percentages, demographic by saltpoint Oct 2016 #8
I would put good money on it that they're going back to the 2004 election models TOO for LV voters.. uponit7771 Oct 2016 #16
I looked over the article twice to see what the saltpoint Oct 2016 #17
He would perhaps extend his streak if Lifelong Protester Oct 2016 #3
Professor Allan Lichtman of American University is losing his touch. misterhighwasted Oct 2016 #4
No way TRUMP-BS-DETECTOR Oct 2016 #6
his keys are poorly/vaguely defined bullshit that also assume generic, mainstream candidates on both geek tragedy Oct 2016 #7
Lichtman himself says that this time, the model could be wrong because of whom Trump is. Mass Oct 2016 #9
Well Lichtman, how did you call the 2000 election? rgbecker Oct 2016 #10
good question gabeana Oct 2016 #21
Wrongly. n/t Orsino Oct 2016 #11
I heard Lichtman just a couple of days ago. He admits his model doesn't account for a candidate yellowcanine Oct 2016 #12
I find that prediction to clearly be delusional for popular vote beachbumbob Oct 2016 #13
: ) "This is Allan Lichtman. This is Allan saltpoint Oct 2016 #14
But GW really didn't win. So they guy was wrong about that one. The rest weren't that hard to pick. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #15
Isn't this the guy who didn't deem Obama as "charismatic"? Racist asshole. bettyellen Oct 2016 #18
he has had quite a run...guessing I mean prediciting right since 1984...looks like your run is ova! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #19
Which of the other elections had a strong woman running against a guy who wants to be a strongman? pnwmom Oct 2016 #20
Yeah, and...? BlueStater Oct 2016 #22

radical noodle

(8,015 posts)
1. Everyone has to be wrong sometime
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

This is probably Lichtman's year. I don't think anything in his equation takes the "crazy" into account.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
2. Do they offer any analysis of factors
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

leading to their prediction or on which their prediction is based?

The explanation of the electoral college passage is true as far as it goes, but does not analyze why they believe, despite polling now trending toward Clinton-Kaine, that Trump-Pence will win.

Not sure what's going on here.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
5. They are starting to lag behind badly
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
Oct 2016

At least 6-7 points now. How do they make that up in a few weeks? They have never been ahead in the national averages. The idea that they would come from behind to win, after trailing 99.9% of the election is ridiculous

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
8. Agree. The percentages, demographic by
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:50 PM
Oct 2016

demographic, don't seem to support any trend toward Trump-Pence and clearly show increased support for Clinton-Kaine.

If FiveThirtyEight is wrong, I'm wondering why Lichtman thinks he's right, and how Lichtman reached his findings. At the moment it just does not look as if Trump-Pence can appeal to various demographic voter groups in high enough percentages to best Romney's performance, and Romney lost.



uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
16. I would put good money on it that they're going back to the 2004 election models TOO for LV voters..
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:24 PM
Oct 2016

... like the other models have done and ignore the demo number of 2006 as if the critical mass of PoC didn't happen !!!

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
17. I looked over the article twice to see what the
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:32 PM
Oct 2016

distinguishing variable was but couldn't find one.

Trump is pissing in his own bucket in this campaign. This is the last few weeks. He's likely under more pressure now than he's ever been. I'm not sure he can make it through to Nov. 8 without embarrassing himself even more. The Clinton-Kaine campaign ads largely just show Trump barking Trump's own words. Since the first presidential debate at Hoftra, HRC's percentage have risen and Trump's have slipped.

It might be good for one of the more thoughtful tv interviewers -- maybe Charlie Rose -- to have Lichtman on to ask if he thinks his prediction model might be upended by Trump's particular personality.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
3. He would perhaps extend his streak if
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

this was an election like other ones-it is not. So he might be surprised....

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
4. Professor Allan Lichtman of American University is losing his touch.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:44 PM
Oct 2016

Maybe he's been at this too long.
Trump & the Republican Party wil not be given the keys to the White House in 2016.

I'm predicting that.

 
6. No way
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:46 PM
Oct 2016

Hillary will take both the popular & electoral college. That is complete nonsense that she could
lose the popular vote. Her ground game alone will bring in millions more votes.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. his keys are poorly/vaguely defined bullshit that also assume generic, mainstream candidates on both
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:48 PM
Oct 2016

sides

Mass

(27,315 posts)
9. Lichtman himself says that this time, the model could be wrong because of whom Trump is.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:50 PM
Oct 2016
However, I also noted that Donald Trump is such a dangerously precedent-breaking candidate that he could upset the verdict of history and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
10. Well Lichtman, how did you call the 2000 election?
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:51 PM
Oct 2016

Are you counting the votes in Florida, or going with the Supreme Court?

yellowcanine

(35,702 posts)
12. I heard Lichtman just a couple of days ago. He admits his model doesn't account for a candidate
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:58 PM
Oct 2016

like Trump. He did not quite say it but he certainly hinted that he thinks his model might be wrong this year. Also his "keys" to the election are a bit subjective and not nearly as sensitive/accurate as the mathematical models of Sam Wang and Nate Silver, which account for demographic differences in battleground states much better than Lichtman's keys do.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
13. I find that prediction to clearly be delusional for popular vote
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:00 PM
Oct 2016

Consider trump will lose California by close 20%...,New York by nearly the same, Illinois and Mass. by 15%..Pennsylvannia by 10%.....and trump has no commanding lead in any of the populous states to speak of....and close election margins in Texas, Arizona...Georgia....so I see nowhere trump can total popular vote lead under any scenario...that professor is smoking crack

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
15. But GW really didn't win. So they guy was wrong about that one. The rest weren't that hard to pick.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:13 PM
Oct 2016

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
22. Yeah, and...?
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 03:54 PM
Oct 2016

I remember, during the primaries, a story about a county in Maine that had correctly voted for every winner since 1948 or whatever. They voted for Sanders. Guess who won the nomination?

Determining who will win by the actions or guesses of someone or something that hasn't been wrong in a long time is idiotic.

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