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La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:03 PM Oct 2016

Why do campaigns try to convince you that they are winning, even when they are not?

Mitt Romney was trying to convince us he was winning till election day. Same with John Mccain. Obviously same with Trump.

I don't remember the Kerry campaign in great details, so I am not sure if he did this as well.

what drives this?

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Why do campaigns try to convince you that they are winning, even when they are not? (Original Post) La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 OP
Because nobody contributes to a loser and their campaign goes into freefall. napi21 Oct 2016 #1
that's a good point La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #3
Got it in one. Iggo Oct 2016 #16
What do you expect them to say? "We are losing, so you might as well not even bother still_one Oct 2016 #2
no, but i can see highlighting losing as a reason to contribute more or to register to vote etc La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #4
Ego? Faux pas Oct 2016 #5
Most Democrats that I know seem realistic about it. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #6
no, i dont think so. during the primaries in 08 and 16, people who were clearly losing La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #8
I wasn't here to see the behavior of Hillary and Bernie supporters in those... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #12
There is a bit of truth to the momentum thing- some people do not want to vote for the loser.... bettyellen Oct 2016 #20
There is about a 5% psychological advantage to being perceived as the winner ahead of the voting. Coyotl Oct 2016 #7
Image is everything. Everything. Sad but true. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #9
Depending on how close it is, a lot of it is down ticket races. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #10
happens during primaries too though La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2016 #11
very competitive people who run in these races, not the type to bag it because geek tragedy Oct 2016 #13
Actually, Mme. Defarge Oct 2016 #14
winning and losing both have self-reinforcing feedback effects 0rganism Oct 2016 #15
I just looked in on the cess pit that his yahoo comments. Third Doctor Oct 2016 #17
The Romney campaign thought that they were winning. SaschaHM Oct 2016 #18
It's the "Go with the winner" effect Yavin4 Oct 2016 #19

napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. Because nobody contributes to a loser and their campaign goes into freefall.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:07 PM
Oct 2016

They HAVE to make it sound like more money is needed to KEEP THEM AHEAD!

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
4. no, but i can see highlighting losing as a reason to contribute more or to register to vote etc
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:09 PM
Oct 2016

rather than trying to spin stories out of winning out of bad polls

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
6. Most Democrats that I know seem realistic about it.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:11 PM
Oct 2016

It's Republican voters who seem more unwilling to accept reality... to the point of contradicting themselves from one statement to the next. Perhaps Republican politicians and propagandists know their audience?

It certainly doesn't help Republican voters when they can't accept information that contradicts their beliefs, tossing the blame at the "liberal media" when it happens.

Examples:

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
8. no, i dont think so. during the primaries in 08 and 16, people who were clearly losing
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:18 PM
Oct 2016

kept saying they could win

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,858 posts)
12. I wasn't here to see the behavior of Hillary and Bernie supporters in those...
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Oct 2016

... primaries, so perhaps I'm generalizing too much.

As for Kerry in 2004, that was indeed very close. He would have won the electoral college if he'd won Ohio, with results that looked suspicious later. If anyone back then proclaimed that he'd win easily, they weren't being realistic either.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. There is a bit of truth to the momentum thing- some people do not want to vote for the loser....
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:58 PM
Oct 2016

And I think it's more to manipulate any undecideds than it is something they believe.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
7. There is about a 5% psychological advantage to being perceived as the winner ahead of the voting.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:17 PM
Oct 2016

At least according to some psychological material I read. Most people are firmly decided before the voting, but the undecideds decide a lot of elections.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. Image is everything. Everything. Sad but true.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:19 PM
Oct 2016

The only reason Trump has what little support he does is because of image.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. Depending on how close it is, a lot of it is down ticket races.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:23 PM
Oct 2016

they want to keep interest and turnout up, if they say "well, we're going to lose, oh well" then turnout craters and their party gets wiped out in other races

Interesting thing with Trump is that he gives exactly zero fucks about downticket Republicans. If he realizes he's going to lose, what will he do?

0rganism

(23,973 posts)
15. winning and losing both have self-reinforcing feedback effects
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:33 PM
Oct 2016

if the public at large believes your campaign is losing, you have a problem.
if your supporters believe your campaign is losing, you have an even bigger problem.

for a politician to even have a chance at winning, at least some people need to believe s/he can do it.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
17. I just looked in on the cess pit that his yahoo comments.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:48 PM
Oct 2016

Many of them are in denial that they are losing right now. We are a lot more rational when the chips are down than the Trump cultists.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
18. The Romney campaign thought that they were winning.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:49 PM
Oct 2016

They bought into the "unskew the polls" nonsense so much that Mitt didn't even write a concession speech ahead of time.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
19. It's the "Go with the winner" effect
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 01:52 PM
Oct 2016

People on the fence don't want to waste their vote on a losing candidate.

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