Not all Republicans Are Deplorables

[MineralMan]

While I disagree with virtually every Republican position on everything, there will be many Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton on November 8. The ranks of Republican voters also includes a large number of people who are close to the middle of the political bell curve. Donald Trump has no appeal to that group.

What will they do at the polling place? Well, a sizable percentage will not be there at all, I predict. It's so easy not to vote that many moderate Republicans are very likely to make that decision and let the whole election slide. Not only will they not vote for Donald Trump, they will not be voting for Republicans for other offices, either. Another sizable percentage, most of them women, will go to the polls and cast their vote for Hillary Clinton. Many of those will do so silently and privately, without telling anyone how they voted. They'll probably vote down-ticket for Republicans, though.

Those Republicans are not being measured in current polling. Nobody actually knows how many will do one of the two things I mentioned in the paragraph above. Most aren't even being polled or are among the many who refuse to take part in telephone polling. We will not know how they voted until election results are in.

I will still disagree with their views on everything, but I will agree that such Republicans are doing the right thing in November. If, as I expect, this election turns out to be a landslide win for Hillary, turncoat Republicans will be largely responsible for that landslide. That's why I started predicting a 350+ electoral win for Clinton, even during the primaries.

If I'm wrong on November 9, I'll post that here. I don't think I will be, though.

All we need now is a great turnout by Democrats.

GOTV for Hillary!

[Snake Plissken]

1. Only the ones who support Trump

[MineralMan]

2. Exactly.

[Hortensis]

12. I won't be betting against your prediction. :)

Certainly, telephone polls cannot measure those who are so turned off that they have decided not to participate at all, even with polls, so that number's completely unknown.

[still_one]

3. I would characterize anyone voting for trump, if not being deplorable, would have very deplorable

traits

[MineralMan]

4. I'm clearly not talking about people who vote for Trump.

Did I not make that clear in my post?

[still_one]

6. I know you are not, but your OP got me thinking. I previously made a broad statement that anyone

voting for Trump is deplorable, but after reading your thread I decided to make it less inclusive by also describing such folks as either being deplorable or having deplorable traits.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

15. Or deplorable priorities.

[geek tragedy]

5. Vast majority of Republicans are deplorables, people to whom fascism and racism and xenophobia are

not repellant but attractive.

Same crowd that got Hitler elected in Weimar Germany. Thank goodness for the 2 party system.

there are a few decent ones left, but they've already disowned Trump

[Hortensis]

13. Sure. But the discussion is about cons who will not be

voting for Trump, also those possibly not voting at all. In other words, it's about the decent ones.

Political bigotry is every bit as pernicious as any other kind and at this point poses a serious danger to very the stability of our nation. It's apparently far easier for some to recognize it in conservatives, but the problem is not confined to the right.

We have to keep the door open, the welcome mat out, and chairs ready around the table.

Right? Fact is, it's not just the moderate conservatives who are being dragged into citizenship's gutter by the deplorables.

[geek tragedy]

14. Trump wins the same % of Republicans as Clinton does of Democrats.

Post-gropergate polls show 90% of Republicans still lining up behind him.

There were lots of people who were virtuous in their private lives who voted for the National Socialist party in 1932.

[Hortensis]

16. So what? Many people think blacks are lazier

than whites. Unemployment statistics prove it for them. Just as there is no excuse for that kind of thinking, there is no excuse for assuming the support for Trump is entirely motivated by xenophobia and racism. We are all paying attention here, so why are so many DUers so selective in the information they allow to get through?

I accidentally posted under your name, Geek. You do acknowledge that some conservatives are decent people -- a huge difference from some others.

[geek tragedy]

17. at the very least, everyone who votes for him condones his racism, xenophobia, cruelty, and misogyny

there's simply no way a person can have a sense of public morality and vote for that 'man'

to vote for him is to express indifference towards victims of all he's unleashing.

voting for Trump is, to use a Catholic doctrine, participation in evil

[Hortensis]

18. I agree they would be ENABLING it and supporting

it in all the others.

However they got to such extreme, bizarre thinking (but a huge factor was manipulations at every level of society from ultraconservative plotters), many conservatives voting for Trump think they HAVE to to keep the Democrats from ruining the country. They know that if we get the presidency and the senate we will pack the court with nation-destroying liberals and that we will do our best to tear down all the "advances" they've made over the past 35 years. They're desperate. Desperate enough to even vote for a man they despise completely because they fear us more.

Btw, that kind of thinking disgusts me. How dare they get so stupid and irresponsible? Their political bigotry is an enormous threat to our nation.

[geek tragedy]

19. I think it's an error of attribution to assume the panicky "we want our country back" stuff

is organically distinct from the ethnonationalist authoritarianism.

[Hortensis]

20. Oh, there's a lot of overlap. But it would be an error

to assume that, because occult string-pullers have managed to purge Republican politics of moderate conservatives, it means that they've been able to do the same with the people. They have, yes, deceived most on the right into believing we threaten the future of our nation and must be stopped, but natural moderation is still there in moderates

[LexVegas]

7. I think they are all deplorables. nt

[Wounded Bear]

8. You are right, of course...

I just wish they could put up candidates that I could, in good conscience, even consider for the position they run for.

Now? Not so much.

Yes, I'm coming back to the position that this could be an epic win, hopefully a wave that carries the House along with it.

[ismnotwasm]

9. My oldest daughter votes Republican

I blame her time in the military and well as her embracing the Catholic faith I reject. She is a good person, who would never consider voting for Trump, ever. Neither will my SIL, also a military type conservative.

Neither one of them like Hillary, I don't know if they will actually vote for her, but they might, especially after the debacle that is Trump

[whatthehey]

10. I generally agree with one wild card caveat

We don't know how many of those who ARE deplorable will come out of the woodwork to vote from blocs traditionally with low turnout. Low-education low-middle income males basically. Those who are angry, cynical and frankly not too capable of depth or nuance. They have a champion like never before. Even Shrub spoke above their level in geopolitics and civic understanding, and despite his real intellectual limits and phony aw-shucks populism, was obviously too much of a NE Brahmin to behave like their bar-room buddies think real alpha males should. Trump checks all their boxes, and will get a huge number of them to the polls who have never or rarely bothered before.

More of those than the sensible and informed he repulses? Hard to say. There are no statistical formulae here. We know the demographic itself is large, and larger by far than the educated elite who have abandoned the cheeto shitgibbon, but there's no way to know how many of them will get off their asses, how many women traditionally on the right who will quietly vote for the female non-assault perpetrator to cancel their votes, and exactly how many moderate persuadables will follow the "they're both horrible" simplistic media idiocy and stay home.

[Tikki]

11. The only women I know, personally, who are voting for trump are....

doing so because their husband or father is voting for trump.
As far as I am concerned, this is the very worst reason any woman
can use for voting for anything.

One woman told me she does so because her husband knows a lot
about what is going on.

I hope they just say this to keep the family peace, however sad this scenario is, I
know here in California no one is allowed in the voting booth except the voter...
Maybe, these women choose wisely in the privacy of the voting booth.

Tikki