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IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 06:25 PM Oct 2016

Dear Donald Trump: I played in the NFL. Here’s what we really talk about in the locker room.

http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/10/10/13230346/donald-trump-locker-room-talk-chris-kluwe

Dear Donald Trump,

Last Friday, audio leaked of you making incredibly demeaning comments about women and bragging about sexual assault. When asked to justify your statements, you claimed that this was "locker room talk," and it's just how guys speak about women.

You're wrong, and only the type of wrong an over-tanned ham hock like yourself can accomplish, plummeting past the morass of gross incivility into the abyss of depraved sociopathy.

How do I know this? Simple. I was in an NFL locker room for eight years, the very definition of the macho, alpha male environment you're so feebly trying to evoke to protect yourself, and not once did anyone approach your breathtaking depths of arrogant imbecility. Oh, sure, we had some dumb guys, and some guys I wouldn't want to hang out with on any sort of regular basis, but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape, and, hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

Now, Donald, I'm sure you're wondering just what it is we talk about in a professional locker room, if we don't spend all our time regarding 50 percent of the population as mobile fuck receptacles eagerly awaiting our tiny-handed grasp on their love lapels. I shall educate you!

We talk about our families. We talk about our significant others, our children, and our parents. We talk about our fears that if a Hitler wannabe who can't even string together a coherent statement on domestic policy becomes president, what that might mean for those of us who are married to a member of a minority community, or are a member of a minority community, or have children going to schools where hopefully nobody screams racial epithets at them or tells them to go back to [insert foreign country they couldn't identify on a map here].


Chris Kluwe, Punter Minnesota Vikings, Oakland Raiders, Seattle Seahawks





What locker rooms has Trump been going to? Normal people don't behave like him.
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Dear Donald Trump: I played in the NFL. Here’s what we really talk about in the locker room. (Original Post) IronLionZion Oct 2016 OP
I doubt Trump has seen the inside of a locker room since middle school liberal N proud Oct 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2016 #25
Must be in Trump golf club locker rooms Angry Dragon Oct 2016 #2
With other wealthy and BlueMTexpat Oct 2016 #42
Rec'ing my new boyfriend's article Happyhippychick Oct 2016 #3
LOL Get in line! SunSeeker Oct 2016 #12
Smart and good lookin. In that order! Happyhippychick Oct 2016 #14
Wow-- thanks for posting ailsagirl Oct 2016 #21
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Oct 2016 #43
Thank you, Chris. sunweaver Oct 2016 #4
Welcome to DU, sunweaver!! ailsagirl Oct 2016 #22
Yeah Chris DK504 Oct 2016 #24
Yep, and he catches a lot of flak for it, unfortunately. geardaddy Oct 2016 #55
Welcome to DU! IronLionZion Oct 2016 #26
Welome :) blueseas Oct 2016 #54
the whole mercuryblues Oct 2016 #5
Chris is really a great guy. I remember him posting on Reddit /r/NFL back when he was still playing RAFisher Oct 2016 #6
Trump's "excuse" based on typical rightwing fantasy about... Beartracks Oct 2016 #7
K and r. cwydro Oct 2016 #8
Sucks to be Deplorable Don. MoonRiver Oct 2016 #9
Of course he hears it in locker rooms GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #10
Melania was 3 months pregnant then. Advanced enough for Donald J tRump to know. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #11
Powerful. Dayum. Love me some Kluwe. SunSeeker Oct 2016 #13
Excellent! Scurrilous Oct 2016 #15
Wow, there goes my stereotype about dumb jocks. smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #16
What a family, thank you saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #17
Beautiful! Shivers! Love! Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #18
Wow, that is an awesome statement! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2016 #19
K & R LAS14 Oct 2016 #20
Fantastic. Thank you Chris Kluwe!!!!! Hekate Oct 2016 #23
K&R mcar Oct 2016 #27
"Over-tanned ham hock", OMG. I love this guy catbyte Oct 2016 #28
I have little doubt..... creoledna Oct 2016 #29
Going to pass that along. K&R fleabiscuit Oct 2016 #30
My new hero NastyRiffraff Oct 2016 #31
Well, damn! demmiblue Oct 2016 #32
Excellent response! Far better than the "over-tanned ham hock" deserves. FailureToCommunicate Oct 2016 #33
K & R TomCADem Oct 2016 #34
You got to read the whole thing. Frank Cannon Oct 2016 #35
This is great.. I love the blowback from the locker room guys! Cha Oct 2016 #36
Watch Daily Show with Trevor Noah tonight if you can IronLionZion Oct 2016 #37
Kluwe has a book out for those of you who want more of his writing. Jim Lane Oct 2016 #38
Boom goes the dynamite. lark Oct 2016 #39
Here's another reason to admire Chris Kluwe. radicalliberal Oct 2016 #40
k&r Liberal_in_LA Oct 2016 #41
"Hose them down, hose them down, hose them down, and grab some tit" progree Oct 2016 #45
That is just great. Shared to fb. mnhtnbb Oct 2016 #46
You mean men are human too. njcpa1978 Oct 2016 #47
I'd Rec this 100 times if I could. OMG his use of language is brilliant. Love this line... Pacifist Patriot Oct 2016 #48
Ah, yes. Chris Kluwe has a way with words. malthaussen Oct 2016 #49
Admit it Chris Glaisne Oct 2016 #50
I hope he runs for office. He's one of the best human beings in this nation. blm Oct 2016 #51
I read the whole piece on Vox yesterday rivegauche Oct 2016 #52
K&R nt lillypaddle Oct 2016 #53
"over-tanned ham hock...." Jade Fox Oct 2016 #56

Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

sunweaver

(75 posts)
4. Thank you, Chris.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 06:31 PM
Oct 2016

Trump's statement cast aspersions on all athletes.

Thank you for your statement - it brought a lump to my throat.

Thank you.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
24. Yeah Chris
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 08:24 PM
Oct 2016

Chris Kluwe is one of the coolest NFL players ever. He has been a progressive for so long.

RAFisher

(466 posts)
6. Chris is really a great guy. I remember him posting on Reddit /r/NFL back when he was still playing
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 07:08 PM
Oct 2016

He's written on many topics in the past and all are great reads.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
7. Trump's "excuse" based on typical rightwing fantasy about...
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 07:09 PM
Oct 2016

... how things are -- same as their domestic policies, gun policies, foreign policies, etc. He just knee-jerked an excuse based on what locker rooms are supposed to be like in his in-experienced opinion.

It's like Republicans base all their public and private beliefs (and excuses) on how things are portrayed in Hollywood movies, rather than how things really are in real life.

They've been doing this since at least Ronald Reagan, I think.

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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
10. Of course he hears it in locker rooms
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 07:16 PM
Oct 2016

And so do all the men in the locker room when Donald says these things.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
19. Wow, that is an awesome statement!
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 08:06 PM
Oct 2016

Clearly an intelligent, thoughtful man. Go read the whole thing, everyone!

So let me conclude with some advice for you, Donald. The next time you want to claim that something is "locker room talk," take a moment to recognize the fact that were you in an actual locker room, you would be universally reviled as a cancerous, egotistical train wreck of a disgrace that no team could possibly find the time to employ and, honestly, would never even have on their draft board to begin with.

And let us not miss the point that Trump was not in a locker room when he made his vile comments, he was in a workplace. (Maybe I ought to make that a tagline.)

creoledna

(40 posts)
29. I have little doubt.....
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 08:49 PM
Oct 2016

Mr. Trump has spoken these same words in a locker room
and in a bar and at a party and in a boardroom and at his weddings and in the bathroom and a car and anyplace else he found the need to establish himself the superior to the listener. This is like the country club secret everyone knows about but doesn't talk about in public.I can only imagine how many men (even some women) have heard the words.

It is so interesting to me he would ever find it necessary to impress this Bush guy and a bus full of handlers. It is like he is preparing for the "hit" and junior is assessing the target. You know the rest of the story

It is so depressing to see the total lack of humanity.

As my football coach once said (in a locker room),
"Son, you can't polish a brick, the harder you rub the duller it gets"

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
31. My new hero
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 09:10 PM
Oct 2016

Smart, well-spoken, and it doesn't hurt that he's a hottie!

(Is that shallow? Yeah, it's shallow. But I didn't say I want to grab his crotch.)

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
37. Watch Daily Show with Trevor Noah tonight if you can
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 10:52 PM
Oct 2016

They have a preview up on their facebook page about the locker room issue and the shameless excuses Trump's people have made for it

https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/?fref=ts

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
38. Kluwe has a book out for those of you who want more of his writing.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 10:59 PM
Oct 2016

He (or his publisher) describes Beautifully Unique Sparkleponies as a "collection of rousing, uncensored personal essays, letters, and stories".

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
40. Here's another reason to admire Chris Kluwe.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 12:28 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Thu Oct 13, 2016, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Last year he once tweeted, "Hey! Fuck you college football rape enablers!"

https://twitter.com/chriswarcraft/status/669759413540917248

Wow! I never thought I'd hear a football player condemn this sort of injustice.

Kluwe truly is a man of conscience!

progree

(10,908 posts)
45. "Hose them down, hose them down, hose them down, and grab some tit"
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 06:59 AM
Oct 2016

In my fraternity, we had one clown who kept, ha ha, repeating that line, in a sing-songy way. Over and over again. Year after year. (He told me I had the face of a horse's ass when I didn't find him funny. Sorry, no pics on my Profile Page).

I struggled to think of any other misogynistic outpouring from my fraternity days, and can't (fortunately) come up with anything else. Maybe 80 men total passed through my fraternity in my years there. So 1 out of 80. Too bad (or sad) that Trump is one of those 1-out-of-80 fuckheads.





njcpa1978

(114 posts)
47. You mean men are human too.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:25 AM
Oct 2016

After hearing Donald's verbal excrement, I reflected on being a guy and so confirm Chris' succinct description. I will say that guys will discuss a woman in terms of a romantic tryst, as woman my talk about an evening with Brad Pitt. But that aside, the 'I am a star' and can do what I want and 'She was married' but I still tried to get her. Those go far over the line of guy talk and fall into predator. The sulking, stalking, figure of Trump at the last debate, just confirm that analysis. Thank you Chris for your post.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
48. I'd Rec this 100 times if I could. OMG his use of language is brilliant. Love this line...
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:03 AM
Oct 2016

"We talk about what country might make a good safe haven if a Russian-backed presidential candidate whose foreign policy agenda can best be described as "gross negligence mixed with a spicy dash of treason" were to have control of our nation's nuclear arsenal, and whether his stubby little baby fingers are strong enough to push in the launch codes on sturdy military-grade hardware."

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
49. Ah, yes. Chris Kluwe has a way with words.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:04 AM
Oct 2016

I wonder if he has considered entering the political arena, now that the NFL's gladiator games are pretty much closed to him?

-- Mal

rivegauche

(601 posts)
52. I read the whole piece on Vox yesterday
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Oct 2016

AND I LOVE IT. What an amazing, beautifully written piece! Love this guy. I'm not a football follower so I'm not familiar with his name, but I will be reposting this piece as often as I can. It was really, really great to read.

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