2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump camp puts forward witness to refute sex assault claim
Donald Trumps campaign says a British man is countering claims that the GOP presidential nominee groped a woman on a cross-country flight more than three decades ago.
The man says he was sitting across from the accuser and contacted the Trump campaign because he was incensed by her account which is at odds with what he witnessed.
I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious, Anthony Gilberthorpe said in a note provided to The Post by the Trump campaign.
Gilberthorpe said he was on the flight in either 1980 or 1981 where Jessica Leeds claimed Trump groped her.
http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/
*AHEM*
Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'I supplied underage rent boys for Margaret Thatcher's cabinet ministers'
Senior Tory cabinet ministers were supplied with underage boys for sex parties, it is sensationally claimed.
Former Conservative activist Anthony Gilberthorpe said he told Margaret Thatcher 25 years ago about what he had witnessed and gave her names of those involved.
His allegations that he saw top Tories having sex with boys comes after David Cameron launched a Government inquiry into claims of a cover-up.
Anthony, 52, said: I am prepared to speak to the inquiry. I believe I am a key witness.
Trawling seedy streets during a Tory conference, Gilberthorpe says he was asked to find underage rent boys for a private sex party at a top hotel.
Today, more than three decades later, he claims he was acting on the orders of some of the most senior figures of Margaret Thatchers government.
Anthony says he was a full-time political activist when he helped procure the youngest and prettiest boys for several cabinet ministers after being told to find entertainment.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Hysterical!
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)Such bullshit.
FarPoint
(12,417 posts)The rich or influential male will beat them down, shame, shun deny...this is the circle of assault for women...Keeping quite and just try and survive...even 30 years later, you are at risk for the victim being the problem...not the perpetrator...
TexasBushwhacker
(20,205 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I'm going to go with the memory of the person who was assaulted on a flight. She had a reason to remember, the non witness notsomuch.
babylonsister
(171,076 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)PunksMom
(440 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)wishstar
(5,271 posts)MSM not wasting their time over this nonsense
Cakes488
(874 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Their big evidence reveal is this congenital liar with a remarkably implausible story? Good lord, he's guilty as sin.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Which is the part that surprises me.
stevil
(1,537 posts)gemlake
(581 posts)Antique Stereoscope
(2 posts)It seems his history was covered by Private Eye after his "paedophile allegations".
http://www.bo-ne.ws/forum/read.php?21,349795,360754
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)This is as stupid as "There's no armrests in first class" -- that they tried to claim the other day.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)Gilbercrazy says he sat across the aisle from Trump and Leeds. By endorsing this guy's account, Trump admits that he sat beside Leeds on a flight 30 years ago. Of course, he denies assaulting her, but he admits he was there and she was sitting beside him.
As for whether an assault occurred, I think most rational people would believe Leeds over a self professed assaulter of women and Gilbercrazy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)aisle.
My point is that he wasn't sitting NEXT to her--that was a very roomy and wide aisle, unlike the ones in coach.
I rather doubt he was even on that plane at all--who was he travelling with? His parents?
You'd think they'd have shoved him in coach with the nanny...!
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)seats himself next to his victim, which corroborates her accounting of events. Proving Trump was in that seat next to her 30 years ago was two thirds of the battle and Trump supplied that proof himself.
MADem
(135,425 posts)IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)Evidently Gilberthorpe is well known by the British legal system and the British press, having been caught in several lies.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987
https://web.archive.org/web/20140812205037/http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=street_of_shame&issue=1372
One thing he does admit is that he was paid to supply rent-boys to British government officials, admitting he attended parties where alcohol and drugs were available to underage boys.
Another thing he CONFIRMS is that the woman was in that seat. A fact that tRump denies.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)latest.
What would a 15 year old British national be doing flying first class DOMESTIC into New York? It's ridiculous.
Safe as Milk
(51 posts)IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)Most of it contemporaneous articles from the rent-boy scandal where he admits he was a paid abuse enabler.
Back in the day I've worked on several state-wide and Congressional races. We woould have been instantly fired if we ever even suggested using such an unreliable source. Maybe they did vet Gilberthorpe and decided to use him anyway. The tRump "campaign" does seem to be as entitled as their candidate. Or just plain stupid. Or both.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Safe as Milk
(51 posts)So this guy sits across the aisle from Trump and victim. He says that his eyes were on the two the entire time. And nothing occurred. Hmm. That's curious. Did this guy ever look out the window? Did he go to the restroom? Did he order a drink from the menu that he had to look at? This kind of sexual assault can take seconds to complete.
Did Gilberthorpe have any kind of friendship with Trump?
He claims to have known high ranking politicians in London. He claims to have arranged for underage boys to meet with UK politicians at parties. He's got a "good" photographic memory. Eh?
I'd love to see this guy get on the witness stand and make statements under oath, and then get cross examined. I'm no attorney, but I did appear as an expert witness in Court many times. And I can say without equivocation that this guy would be eaten alive in cross examination. By the end of the cross, he'd have no idea what his name is, and he wouldn't have a shred of credibility remaining.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)LeftRant
(524 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,336 posts)...
Apart from the sexual aspect, the tapes also apparently recorded Mr Merchant making Heil Hitler salutes about Mr Gilberthorpe becoming the owner and boss of an antique centre below his flat, and making remarks about senior Tories.
How did the Sunday Mirror get this? It was arranged through Anthony Gilberthorpe, and filmed at his York home, the apparatus being set up by a surveillance expert.
It is understood that Mr Gilberthorpe, who had worked for Mr Merchant in the mid 80s when he was MP for Newcastle Central and subsequently kept in touch, took the story to the Sunday Mirror at the end of last week. A figure of around pounds 25,000 was negotiated. Mr Gilberthorpe has not been available for comment since.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/anatomy-of-a-sting-how-an-mp-was-trapped-1236130.html
underpants
(182,848 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)long time no see
underpants
(182,848 posts)Great to hear from you. Looks like we just might have ourselves a woman President.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...perfect witness for Trump!
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Years ago when I was a young lawyer I was sitting in a court room waiting my turn and watched a lawyer call a character witness to say that his client, a defendant in a drunk driving case, had a reputation as being very truthful. The judge said "no", we don't have character witnesses in drunk driving cases, but the lawyer persisted and finally the judge said, "OK, call your witness". So the character witness gets on the stand, is sworn, and is asked if he knows the defendant's reputation in the community for telling the truth, to which he answers, "Yes". Then the lawyer asked him what that reputation was and the witness answered, "To tell the truth, he lies about half the time".
Everyone in the room burst out laughing and the judge, who could not stop laughing, called a recess, went into his chambers for a while, and you could hear loud, uncontrolled laughter coming out of his chambers.