Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:26 PM Oct 2016

Trump camp puts forward witness to refute sex assault claim

Donald Trump’s campaign says a British man is countering claims that the GOP presidential nominee groped a woman on a cross-country flight more than three decades ago.

The man says he was sitting across from the accuser and contacted the Trump campaign because he was incensed by her account — which is at odds with what he witnessed.

“I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious,” Anthony Gilberthorpe said in a note provided to The Post by the Trump campaign.

Gilberthorpe said he was on the flight — in either 1980 or 1981— where Jessica Leeds claimed Trump groped her.

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/

*AHEM*

Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'I supplied underage rent boys for Margaret Thatcher's cabinet ministers'

Senior Tory cabinet ministers were supplied with underage boys for sex parties, it is sensationally claimed.

Former Conservative activist Anthony Gilberthorpe said he told Margaret Thatcher 25 years ago about what he had witnessed and gave her names of those involved.

His allegations that he saw top Tories having sex with boys comes after David Cameron launched a Government inquiry into claims of a cover-up.

Anthony, 52, said: “I am prepared to speak to the inquiry. I believe I am a key witness.”

Trawling seedy streets during a Tory conference, Gilberthorpe says he was asked to find underage rent boys for a private sex party at a top hotel.

Today, more than three decades later, he claims he was acting on the orders of some of the most senior figures of Margaret Thatcher’s government.

Anthony says he was a ­full-time ­political activist when he helped procure the “youngest and prettiest” boys for several cabinet ministers after being told to find “entertainment”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987

42 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Trump camp puts forward witness to refute sex assault claim (Original Post) CatWoman Oct 2016 OP
Can't wait to see what SNL does with this twist nt SticksnStones Oct 2016 #1
This HAS to be at the top of the list for SNL writers Jersey Devil Oct 2016 #36
This woman Trump said he never saw. rzemanfl Oct 2016 #2
See, this is exactly why women don't risk coming forward when things happen... FarPoint Oct 2016 #35
Oops! N/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #3
Who remembers something 36 years ago when nothing happened? NightWatcher Oct 2016 #4
Exactly! This guy sounds like a professional snitch. nt babylonsister Oct 2016 #9
plus he would have been 17 or 18 years old OKNancy Oct 2016 #13
can I state the obvious, he doesn't even seem to know the year this happened DLCWIdem Oct 2016 #5
I was thinking the same thing!!! PunksMom Oct 2016 #10
This is beyond priceless JenniferJuniper Oct 2016 #6
ABC news,cable channels so far tonight saying "no credible evidence" has been provided by Trump camp wishstar Oct 2016 #7
Birds of a feather..... Cakes488 Oct 2016 #8
So embarrassing for Trump alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #11
Plus, they admit he was on the plane with her jberryhill Oct 2016 #15
Nice work stevil Oct 2016 #12
He took money from a tabloid to set someone up in a sex scandal gemlake Oct 2016 #14
But wait, there's more! Antique Stereoscope Oct 2016 #19
So he admits being on that plane? fun n serious Oct 2016 #16
Exactly! AND sitting beside the accuser. nt prayin4rain Oct 2016 #31
Yep. fun n serious Oct 2016 #33
Oh, so First Class sits three across? I don't think so! LOL! MADem Oct 2016 #38
First class usually sits four across with an aisle in the middle of each two. prayin4rain Oct 2016 #39
I know--and they're often slightly offset so you aren't in the face of the persons across the MADem Oct 2016 #40
I don't buy Gilbercrazy's story at all. Period. But by Trump supporting Gilbercrazy's story, he prayin4rain Oct 2016 #41
Fair point, that! MADem Oct 2016 #42
So tRump's "witness" was a conservative sexual abuse enabler? IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2016 #17
Never mind that he would have been 15 or 16 in 1979, when Leeds says the incident took place at the alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #22
The private eye link should accompany any story about Gilberthorpe. Great source. Safe as Milk Oct 2016 #27
Google Anthony Gilberthorpe. A ton of stuff out there. IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2016 #29
Was Joey Buttafucco unavailable? grossproffit Oct 2016 #18
Eyes glued to the mundane? Safe as Milk Oct 2016 #20
How low can it go? Tweet from Sandusky backing Trump? Nt NCTraveler Oct 2016 #21
"Gilberthorpe has no evidence to back up his claim — just his self-described excellent memory." LeftRant Oct 2016 #23
Trash is as trash does BSdetect Oct 2016 #24
Another thing about Gilberthorpe: a paper paid him £25k to trap an MP having an affair with a 18yo muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #25
Bookmarking. underpants Oct 2016 #26
HI UP CatWoman Oct 2016 #28
Hey! underpants Oct 2016 #32
!!!!!! CatWoman Oct 2016 #37
Oh my... Mike Nelson Oct 2016 #30
Reminds me of the world's worst character witness Jersey Devil Oct 2016 #34

FarPoint

(12,417 posts)
35. See, this is exactly why women don't risk coming forward when things happen...
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 07:35 PM
Oct 2016

The rich or influential male will beat them down, shame, shun deny...this is the circle of assault for women...Keeping quite and just try and survive...even 30 years later, you are at risk for the victim being the problem...not the perpetrator...

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. Who remembers something 36 years ago when nothing happened?
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:30 PM
Oct 2016

I'm going to go with the memory of the person who was assaulted on a flight. She had a reason to remember, the non witness notsomuch.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
7. ABC news,cable channels so far tonight saying "no credible evidence" has been provided by Trump camp
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:40 PM
Oct 2016

MSM not wasting their time over this nonsense

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
11. So embarrassing for Trump
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:42 PM
Oct 2016

Their big evidence reveal is this congenital liar with a remarkably implausible story? Good lord, he's guilty as sin.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. Oh, so First Class sits three across? I don't think so! LOL!
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:23 AM
Oct 2016

This is as stupid as "There's no armrests in first class" -- that they tried to claim the other day.

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
39. First class usually sits four across with an aisle in the middle of each two.
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:52 AM
Oct 2016

Gilbercrazy says he sat across the aisle from Trump and Leeds. By endorsing this guy's account, Trump admits that he sat beside Leeds on a flight 30 years ago. Of course, he denies assaulting her, but he admits he was there and she was sitting beside him.

As for whether an assault occurred, I think most rational people would believe Leeds over a self professed assaulter of women and Gilbercrazy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. I know--and they're often slightly offset so you aren't in the face of the persons across the
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 12:56 AM
Oct 2016

aisle.

My point is that he wasn't sitting NEXT to her--that was a very roomy and wide aisle, unlike the ones in coach.

I rather doubt he was even on that plane at all--who was he travelling with? His parents?
You'd think they'd have shoved him in coach with the nanny...!

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
41. I don't buy Gilbercrazy's story at all. Period. But by Trump supporting Gilbercrazy's story, he
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 01:02 AM
Oct 2016

seats himself next to his victim, which corroborates her accounting of events. Proving Trump was in that seat next to her 30 years ago was two thirds of the battle and Trump supplied that proof himself.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
17. So tRump's "witness" was a conservative sexual abuse enabler?
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:46 PM
Oct 2016

Evidently Gilberthorpe is well known by the British legal system and the British press, having been caught in several lies.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987

https://web.archive.org/web/20140812205037/http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=street_of_shame&issue=1372

One thing he does admit is that he was paid to supply rent-boys to British government officials, admitting he attended parties where alcohol and drugs were available to underage boys.

Another thing he CONFIRMS is that the woman was in that seat. A fact that tRump denies.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
22. Never mind that he would have been 15 or 16 in 1979, when Leeds says the incident took place at the
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:55 PM
Oct 2016

latest.

What would a 15 year old British national be doing flying first class DOMESTIC into New York? It's ridiculous.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
29. Google Anthony Gilberthorpe. A ton of stuff out there.
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 07:23 PM
Oct 2016

Most of it contemporaneous articles from the rent-boy scandal where he admits he was a paid abuse enabler.

Back in the day I've worked on several state-wide and Congressional races. We woould have been instantly fired if we ever even suggested using such an unreliable source. Maybe they did vet Gilberthorpe and decided to use him anyway. The tRump "campaign" does seem to be as entitled as their candidate. Or just plain stupid. Or both.

Safe as Milk

(51 posts)
20. Eyes glued to the mundane?
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 06:50 PM
Oct 2016

So this guy sits across the aisle from Trump and victim. He says that his eyes were on the two the entire time. And nothing occurred. Hmm. That's curious. Did this guy ever look out the window? Did he go to the restroom? Did he order a drink from the menu that he had to look at? This kind of sexual assault can take seconds to complete.

Did Gilberthorpe have any kind of friendship with Trump?

He claims to have known high ranking politicians in London. He claims to have arranged for underage boys to meet with UK politicians at parties. He's got a "good" photographic memory. Eh?

I'd love to see this guy get on the witness stand and make statements under oath, and then get cross examined. I'm no attorney, but I did appear as an expert witness in Court many times. And I can say without equivocation that this guy would be eaten alive in cross examination. By the end of the cross, he'd have no idea what his name is, and he wouldn't have a shred of credibility remaining.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,336 posts)
25. Another thing about Gilberthorpe: a paper paid him £25k to trap an MP having an affair with a 18yo
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 07:00 PM
Oct 2016
The flat was in York, the room had "traditional" oak beams and a "huge" double bed. Lying "provocatively" on this bed was a crotchless, fake-leopard-skin body suit. Anna Cox held it up to Piers Merchant and his friend and former researcher Anthony Gilberthorpe, and murmured "Only Piers is going to see me in this, and he will have to wait". All this and much, much more was being video-taped, and lies locked away in the offices of the Sunday Mirror.
...
Apart from the sexual aspect, the tapes also apparently recorded Mr Merchant making Heil Hitler salutes about Mr Gilberthorpe becoming the owner and boss of an antique centre below his flat, and making remarks about senior Tories.

How did the Sunday Mirror get this? It was arranged through Anthony Gilberthorpe, and filmed at his York home, the apparatus being set up by a surveillance expert.

It is understood that Mr Gilberthorpe, who had worked for Mr Merchant in the mid 80s when he was MP for Newcastle Central and subsequently kept in touch, took the story to the Sunday Mirror at the end of last week. A figure of around pounds 25,000 was negotiated. Mr Gilberthorpe has not been available for comment since.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/anatomy-of-a-sting-how-an-mp-was-trapped-1236130.html

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
34. Reminds me of the world's worst character witness
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 07:35 PM
Oct 2016

Years ago when I was a young lawyer I was sitting in a court room waiting my turn and watched a lawyer call a character witness to say that his client, a defendant in a drunk driving case, had a reputation as being very truthful. The judge said "no", we don't have character witnesses in drunk driving cases, but the lawyer persisted and finally the judge said, "OK, call your witness". So the character witness gets on the stand, is sworn, and is asked if he knows the defendant's reputation in the community for telling the truth, to which he answers, "Yes". Then the lawyer asked him what that reputation was and the witness answered, "To tell the truth, he lies about half the time".

Everyone in the room burst out laughing and the judge, who could not stop laughing, called a recess, went into his chambers for a while, and you could hear loud, uncontrolled laughter coming out of his chambers.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Trump camp puts forward w...