Poll: Michigan church goers shift from Trump to Clinton

[grossproffit]

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s struggle in Michigan is being fueled in part by a sudden decline in support among voters who frequently attend church as questions swirl about his character and treatment of women.

Two polls of likely Michigan voters — on Sept. 27-28 and Oct. 10-11, during a tumultuous period in the presidential election — show a 15-percentage-point swing in Democrat Hillary Clinton’s favor among voters who attend church each week.

Two weeks ago, Trump led Clinton among frequent churchgoers, 45 percent to 34 percent, in a poll conducted after the first presidential debate.

Trump now trails Clinton 41 percent to 36 percent among these typically more conservative voters in a poll conducted Monday and Tuesday after revelations of a decade-old recording of Trump’s boasting that his celebrity allows him to grope women.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/13/churchgoers-poll-clinton-trump/92031864/

No true person of faith would ever allow someone like Trump to become president.

[keithbvadu2]

1. Political Christians rather than Christians of faith

[CrispyQ]

2. President Obama rightly called them out on their party of family values, BS

It was a masterful speech. I am going to miss this president.

[Blue Idaho]

5. "Trump Family Values"

The whole klan is screwy. Why anyone would adopt the moral code of that bunch of privileged social predators is way beyond me. It's not just daddy don - the wife and kids also exhibit the same detached, spoiled, and morally corrupt behavior we see in most 1%ers.

It is such an irony that people who haven't bothered to vote - or pay attention to current affairs - in decades suddenly latches on to some lecherous "billionaire" who feeds their anger. This generation "Jeopardy" crowd thinks a mediocre TV celebrity is the next Jesus Christ. They really are useful idiots.

[Renew Deal]

3. I wonder if they saw this article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512502462

[longship]

4. I would be interested in seeing Grand Rapids area polling.

That's the home to the international Dutch Reformed Church and a city where every other building downtown is named DeVoss (and is closed on Sunday -- they pull in the sidewalks). As Calvanists, no good deeds can save your ass from eternal damnation. Your eternal destiny is predetermined when your miserable ass is born.

This sets up a puzzlement of how such people view Drumpf. Deeds or beliefs? To Calvanists it is apparently neither. No wonder they don't like having fun. Fun and happiness is evil. Apparently.

And Drumpf is no doubt just fine to them. Just ask the DeVoss family, who all but own the city (along with the criminal AmWay Corporation).

[karynnj]

6. Wouldn't they say that by his actions he shows that he was not among the "saved"?

That had he been destined to be among the elite going to heaven, he would be naturally good?

[longship]

7. Well, I don't think that comports with Calvinist doctrine.

The idea is that no amount of good deeds will save your miserable damned soul from an eternity of hellfire. Obviously, that invites your question. I imagine that the Grand Rapids Calvinists at Calvin College debate the answer ad nauseum. Regardless, none of them will be saved by their deeds. (According to Calvin.)

No wonder that none of them approve of anybody having fun. Ever! But especially not on Sunday.