2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy aren't they including Jill Harth as one of the women accusing Trump of assault?
and what about the 13 year old girl, whose civil suit is schedule for preliminary hearings in December?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027980814
Trump and Jeffrey Epstein sued for raping 13 year old girl, with witness corroboration.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/
this ''terrific guy'' is Jeffrey Epstein, named in the current lawsuit, and one of the truly LOATHSOME creeps to come along in recent memory:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/07/judge-unseals-more-details-in-jeffrey-epstein-underage-sex-lawsuit-210065
I heard Lisa Bloom on Stephanie Miller this morning, discussing the rape case, and why it's not being reported ANYwhere in the M$M. why is that, I wonder?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html
look who's covering it? no major outlets. the NY Daily News comes closest here:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trump+rape&tbm=nws
why do you think they refuse to even mention it? they came up with a pretty good answer on the radio this morning.
sarae
(3,284 posts)On CNN, Jeffrey Lorde was arguing that at least Trump doesn't have rape allegations against him, like Bill Clinton. The reporter didn't say anything. I was yelling at my tv.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)completely ignored her
completely
pretty stunning
I think Joy Reid might have mentioned it, but she isn't making an issue out of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they have told her not to go there.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)That'll bring up some reading material.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)I linked above has lots of stuff about him, and what he and trump did to that girl, and how he might have disappeared some witnesses to this particular, and other, outrages
this is Hollywood blockbuster material
unfortunately, Bill was a pal of his, too.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)That's the only reason they aren't including her. If they did they would get sued in a heartbeat. Unless that victim or the witness comes forward publicly the media can't report on it without opening themselves up to a massive lawsuit.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yes, that's it in a nutshell.
The civil filings are immune from being a basis for defamation, but only for the purpose of the court proceeding in which they were filed.
Even though they are public documents, one is not immune from liability for publishing them for purposes not connected with the court proceeding.
The media has no source on this story.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)lol
I am hoping that this woman will go public and rescue humanity from a potential Trump presidency. Not sure it will happen, though.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)there are many many stories about this, several including the girl's real name
what are the legal ramifications on that?
why aren't the links reporting on this being threatened with suit?
or not already being sued?
did you read any of them?
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Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)I haven't mentioned her name, but I know what it is, and it's revealed in some links within the OP link at the top
check this out:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lawsuit-accusing-trump-raping-girl-13-december-hearing-article-1.2828413
I can't get the site to load, cause of the insane amount of ads, so no CandP from them
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)As far as I know.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)is his site
https://www.google.com/#q=lawnewz+trump+rape
lawyers who appear to be here, please comment.
I'd like to know why covering this case is cause for defamation, if it's been put on the docket
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)They can't do that if the victim files anonymously as was done in this case. The media has a responsibility to CORROBORATE any story they report. If they don't then they have not done their due diligence in reporting. That means that if they report and Captain sue Happy Donald sues them they WILL lose. THAT is why they won't report on it. Anyone can file a lawsuit. I can go out tomorrow and file a civil case accusing you of stealing my car. I don't need to have any proof that you did it. I'd still get a hearing if I filed. Just getting a case on the docket does not mean much of anything other than a complaint was filed and the judge wants to hear what everyone has to say. Reporting on that would be irresponsible...UNLESS the reporter could speak to the victim and witnesses to determine if the story passes the smell test. It can pass the smell test without even going to court and can go to court and not pass the smell test. They just can't responsibly report the story unless they speak to the victim. Now, the victim could ask to keep her identify hidden and have her voice altered in an interview and then they would report it, but if they can't speak to her directly they aren't going to report on it.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)why isn't Abrams being sued then, or the others that are reporting the alleged facts of the case?
and what happens if the judge allows it to go to trial? is she still allowed to remain anonymous?
thanks
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)When you get to actually interview the victim you are then able to CORROBORATE the story.
That site is also not a major news agency.
I think she can remain anonymous, yes...but if the judge allows the case to go forward I am not sure at what point it can be reported without concern of lawsuits.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)why the story is being ignored
how can a case in a public court NOT be allowed reporting, once it goes to trial. if it's settled, I guess there are terms of nondisclosure, but does that mean that the name is not to be revealed?
one would hope she doesn't settle, but maybe she's out for the money. if she has the goods on her, and she sees a payday, more's the better for her, but if it means he gets away with a settlement only, we suffer as a nation, especially if he wins
and there have been allegations surrounding this that at least one young girl disappeared under circumstances unexplained
could be she just disappeared into the woodworks, but who knows? if the allegations in the suit are true, they threatened the lives of her and her family
can't find that link at this point, but I remember reading all this with profound disgust, especially when it led me to delve into the utterly vile Epstein and the highly questionable plea bargain he was allowed to skate with
there's a lawsuit pending on that, IIRC, and the judge is pissed that they can't reach some sort of settlement
that one involves the victims' of Epstein not being informed of the terms of the plea, which contravened the established law. that's almost as bad as the rape case, if true
Epstein should be in jail for the rest of his LIFE for what he did
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)The case was just filed again 18 days ago. Once the case is filed the other side is given a certain amount of time to file a response. Then the judge looks at all affidavits and the responses and based on what the law is determines if the case will move forward or not.
This is not a criminal case...it's a civil case. Civil cases work differently. There is no investigation by law enforcement about anything in this case. It's just this victim suing Trump and Epstein to hold them accountable financially for what they did to her. This is much like when OJ Simpson was found not guilty and the families sued in civil court for damages.
If this were a criminal case where Trump and Epstein were indicted then it would be reported because an investigation to CORROBORATE the accusations would be done to determine there was enough evidence to warrant an indictment.
I don't disagree that both Trump and Epstein should rot in jail. That being said, it is 100% understandable why the major networks and papers are not touching this story yet. They DON'T want to get sued for libel. They MUST be able to PROVE in court that they CORROBORATED their story if sued. Without speaking to the victim and witnesses DIRECTLY they cannot do that.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)my point was meant to state that there's a lot of reporting out there of specific allegations
why aren't the reporters of those allegations being sued right now, if there's no corroboration?
that's all I'm trying to say.....
sorry if you think I'm stupid, or something. I don't know the law....that's why I'm asking about this.
it's on the docket for December, and you appear to be saying that it's pretty meaningless to even discuss it at this point. I get that, but...
why are the media refusing to REPORT, even, that it's on the docket? have you seen it on TV, which is the only place that reality exists anymore, especially for the rubes who buy everything out of the republicans' (and most media) maw? case in point, a new poll says that forty one percent of americans believe that there's serious election fraud going on, and that trump could have the election STOLEN from him as a result.
and, as long as we're on the subject of rape allegations, what do you think about Broaddrick never having sued Clinton for raping her or whatever?
wishstar
(5,270 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)couldn't use it in his inquisition
that certainly hasn't stopped the media from trumpeting it far and wide, giving her accusations almost complete credence, NEVER questioning monsters like Giuliani from asserting that her claims are unassailable
just wanting goose/gander action
agree on the Harth dating thing, but the facts are there....the lawsuit, her depositions, her husband's lawsuit being settled, concomitant with Harth dropping hers
the media are giving ZERO coverage to that, compared with their credulous acceptance of the Broaddrick scam