2016 Postmortem
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Sarah Kliff Oct 19, 2016
Donald Trump made a very specific attack on Hillary Clintons position on abortion at the final presidential debate, arguing that the Democratic candidate was saying in the ninth month you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb.
Its a mischaracterization of Clintons position, its a mischaracterization about what abortion looks like in the United States, and its a mischaracterization of how obstetricians treat late-term patients.
Heres Trump accusation: ...............
The federal government estimates that 91.4 percent of abortions in the United States are performed in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy. An estimated 1.3 percent of abortions happen later than 21 weeks into pregnancy. And none are happening on the final day of pregnancy. As one abortion provider trained in late-term abortion tweeted ... Gunter went on to explain in her tweets, sometimes obstetricians will induce pregnancy at 36 weeks due to anencephaly (when a major portion of the brain is missing and the baby cannot survive). But that is not an abortion. It is induced labor to deliver a baby that will not live.
If you rip a baby out of the mothers womb at three days before it was due, that is a C-section. If you intentionally harm and kill the child, that is infanticide. It is not abortion and it is not what Clinton has ever supported.
Arkansas Granny
(31,528 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,447 posts)Exactly!
Trump is the General in the "War on women".
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Holy crap, that explains the hostility I get during Thanksgiving.
BumRushDaShow
(129,447 posts)Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)skylucy
(3,743 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)She just let orange tighten the noose around his own neck a little more.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)a nasty woman who knows better than to allow what he says to matter one iota while delivering her message. At the same time he can't keep it zipped when she says something negative about him.
He's got two "can't keep it zipped" problems ....
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)PatSeg
(47,586 posts)when he said it. Gee, that sounds like a C-section to me.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)By Jen Hayden Oct 19, 2016
CLINTON: Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case. The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heart breaking, painful decisions for families to make. I have met with women who have toward the end of their pregnancy get the worse news one could getthat their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. I do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. So, you can regulate, if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account.
WALLACE: Mr. Trump, your reaction, and particularly on this issue of late term partial birth abortion.
TRUMP: I think it's terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. Now, you can say that that's okay and Hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me. Because based on what she is saying and based on where she is going and where she has been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. And that's not acceptable.
CLINTON: Well, that is not what happens in these cases. And using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. ............
So impressive how measured Hillary's response is, there is just no baiting her.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)Wouldn't they just induce labor?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)My jaw dropped when he said it..twice! At 9 months, that's a full-term, very viable baby, barring some problems. "Ripping out" a baby, as he put it, is either a C-section or possibly an induced labor. Certainly not an abortion.
First I've seen the attention paid to this, but then, so much garbage came out of his mouth last night I guess it was easy to overlook!