2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOkay, you right wing assholes. I've had about enough of the bullshit.
Now you've come up with this new "Obama third term conspiracy". We just got over the birther bullshit, the Muslim, Socialist nonsense and we've even heard that he suppressed the vote and stole the election. Apparently some legislators in Wisconsin have decided that they will arrest any Federal authorities who try to implement Obamacare in their state in an almost outright act of sedition. McCain and Graham have tried to make a federal case out of Susan Rice (who did absolutely NOTHING wrong) hoping it can lead to an Obama impeachment, and you even talk about seceding from the Union. WTF planet do you idiots live on anyway?
We happen to live in this country called the United States and we have this thing called a Constitution for those of you who like to use that word and don't even know what the fuck it is. It is actually a list of freedoms and laws that govern our country. This constitution establishes a democratic republic form of governance which we have lived by for over 235 years now. As our founding fathers determined long ago, this is a nation of "LAWS" and that is the only way we can function as a free nation.
All you jerkoffs have done since the country had a constitutionally mandated election is try to undermine the will of the people. Personally, I would love to see a few of your asshat leaders thrown in the slammer for treason and sedition. Then the rest of you would just tuck your tails between your legs and whimper back to your rooms and cuddle with a gun. (I hope it.. never mind)
Here is how it works, assholes. We had an election. We won...you lost.
If you are a citizen of this country, then you agree to the terms if our free election and try to make it the best country possible under the law.
There is plenty of room for intelligent, constructive criticism , but I'm sick of hearing the absolutely nonsensical bullshit.
If you have problems with it, please get the fuck out of here. Go to fucking Paraguay or Uganda or something and you don't have to worry about sending a post card.
JUST GET THE FUCK OVER IT!
gateley
(62,683 posts)Must have missed that.
They won't stop until he's out of office.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)jeggus
(26 posts)But I think we showed we have reached our level of tolerance at the last election!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)or turns white.
Have you heard the "do a Bloomberg" rumor? Obama is going to change the law and be a third and maybe fourth term president, like FDR. That will send the remaining sane repubs, all 3 or 4 of them, over the edge, for sure.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Except the gun comment. Other than that, exactly how I feel.
Response to darkangel218 (Reply #3)
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struggle4progress
(118,285 posts)What could work is: organizing our side to win
freshwest
(53,661 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Wanna fix it?
Make lying a crime. (Not lying to Aunt Suzie about how good the fruit cake was, but lying to steal, to destabilize, to undermine ... on the air and with the "authority" that comes with broadcasting)
Oh, I know!!! Free speech includes the right to lie us into wars and into policies that kill the economy and so on and so on but we should never look at ways to curb its abuse.
Okay, then... carry on as before.
(Those comments are NOT directed at you, lunatica, they're just responses to the posts that I know are coming)
Andy823
(11,495 posts)If Rush, Beck, fox news, and the other hate mongers were to be removed from the airwaves, things would change. It would take a few years, but many of those who listen to these hate mongers would come out of their "coma", and start acting like americans again.
I have said for years that things changed when Rush and fox news came to be. I can remember Rush used to be on late nights, and few people ever heard him, but then he became the right wing "hate machine" along with fox news, and things went down hill from there. It's easy to brain wash people when they hear the same thing over and over and over day after day. Religious groups use the same tactics, and it really works.
When you take someone away from say a religious cult, they do usually come back to the reality, same goes for those who listen to the likes of Rush and Beck who have stopped listening, they usually come back to reality. One thing though, for this to happen with the right, republicans who have cowered to these hate mongers have to stand up to them, and put a stop to the insanity. While some now are voicing that idea, I don't know for sure if they really mean it. I still think the GOP will cater to the crazies who follow the hate mongers because they fear they need those votes if they are to win elections. Only time will tell if they are serious about ending their association with those like Rush and Beck, or if it's just another BS tactic to try and win back moderate republican voters.
tonybgood
(218 posts)The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech and as much as i despise what these people are saying, I have and will continue to defend their right to say it. When you try to limit the free expression of ideas; even violent, pornographic and hate speech must be protected. If that speech leads to criminal behavior, that speech an be used as evidence in a court of law but you risk all free speech by adhering to the idea of prior restraint. You strengthen the allure of a lie by trying to hide it from view. Better to let a lie be told and expose it as a lie than to let a lie go unchallenged. Personally, I like the Mel Brooks approach; satire and ridicule. Expose a lie for what it is and show the ridiculousness of the liar. John Stewart does a fine job of it also.
Dubster
(427 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'd suggest the Koch brothers as they have the money and influence with their lackeys who are named below:
My rebuttal to claim obama "had two years of total control with the Senate and House"
...Actually:
- Robert Draper revealed this meeting among some congressional Republicans on Inauguration Night, in his new book "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the US House of Representatives", as the guardian summarized: "During a lengthy discussion, the senior GOP members worked out a plan to repeatedly block Obama over the coming four years to try to ensure he would not be re-elected..."
Attending the dinner were House members Eric Cantor, Jeb Hensarling, Pete Hoekstra, Dan Lungren, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan and Pete Sessions. From the Senate were Tom Coburn, Bob Corker, Jim DeMint, John Ensign and Jon Kyl. Others present were former House Speaker and future and failed presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and the Republican strategist Frank Luntz, who organised the dinner and sent out the invitations.
The dinner table was set in a square at Luntz's request so everyone could see one another and talk freely. The session lasted four hours and by the end the sombre mood had lifted: they had conceived a plan. They would take back the House in November 2010, which they did, and use it as a spear to mortally wound Obama in 2011 and take back the Senate and White House in 2012, Draper writes.
"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," said Keven McCarthy, quoted by Draper. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama)
There is more to learn from the OP by alp227:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021643154
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Thank you for this.
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)... for the 2014 elections.
We need to take more seats from them in the Senate.
We need to take back the House.
We need a majority of governors to be not republicrat.
We need to take back state houses around the country.
We need to push the republicrats further and further out of power.
We could start with marginalizing people like Limburger... I mean Limpballs... I mean... well you know.
We need to get McConnell, Ryan, Cantor, Boener and others beaten so to further weaken the republicrat base.
There is a whole lot more to go on that list, but just that means we need to start NOW
It is not the deficit that is a hurdle to our recovery, it is the republicrat leadership that is the root of the problem. We need to rid ourselves of that problem so we can get to the business of fixing what they messed up. As long as they are around, the problem will be that much more difficult and take that much longer.
sheshe2
(83,770 posts)Ground game has all ready started by team Obama. The Barnstorming of America will prove priceless! I can already feel the same swell on the ground that I felt during 2008 and 2012.
It's how I knew in my heart that we were going to do this thing!
We will do it again in 2014!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251252466
I received the email about the survey....haven't had a chance to answer it yet. However I think you can find it on Whitehouse.org
SouthernDonkey
(256 posts)I told my liberal friends on Facebook that I was voting a straight Democratic ticket and I preached we needed to vote straight Dem. A lot of good it does me here in Mississippi, but I'm nothing it if not persistent. I was quite stunned by some of their remarks that they felt an equal balance of a majority of Rethugs in the House made for more moderate outcomes. I was incredulous! We need a Democratic majority in every branch right now to push through the legislation that needs to be in place to fix our country and put it where it needs to be.
classof56
(5,376 posts)texshelters
(1,979 posts)Yes, the crazy theorie keep rolling. What else do they have to talk about, actual useful ideas?
Peace,
Tex Shelters
47of74
(18,470 posts)MOVE TO IRAN!!!!
Milliesmom
(493 posts)classof56
(5,376 posts)And welcome to DU!
InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)"A Big Tent the GOP may not be. It's nearly 90 percent white and weighted heavily toward older males -- but a wild and colorful tent -- full it is, more of a carnival sideshow than a circus big top. The gluttons share the stage with racists, nativists, misogynists, homophobes, gun freaks, religious fundamentalists and fanatics of all denominations, and gonzo Libertarians who hope to restore the gold standard. Along, of course, with a healthy harvests of dimwits and the extremely stupid -- and a fair sprinkling of apparent mental patients. In the last group, I am obliged to include birthers, deniers of climate change, EPA-eliminators and everyone else who thinks a private citizen should be able to acquire 6,000 rounds of ammunition for an automatic weapon."
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)well, the quote is about 2 years old
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)invited obstructionist guests is gone - Dan Lundgren. 2014 is going to be huge (really huge, not Donald Tripe huge), and we've got to pick up some more House seats, hold onto our edge in the Senate and see this President through. The election was only the beginning.
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)Agenda 21 agenda 21 run!
loyalkydem
(1,678 posts)I am sick of all the hate coming from the right. IT NEEDS TO FUCKING END NOW. Sorry guys I don't normally like to curse but this makes me angry.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)you'll NEVER change them. Most are now brainwashed by idiots like Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox News. And MOST people in this country see right through the bullshit. Thus the reason Obama is in for another 4 years. I suspect the right wing turnout will be even less in the next 2-4 years. Hopefully the hateful GOP will be toast in the next election. Strike 3, and your out?
nxylas
(6,440 posts)This was posted in a Facebook thread I had commented on (not a direct response to my comment) by one Eric Peyton: "I say we just bomb the fuckers and kill em all. They are committing treason as us citizens, and they are domestic terrorist! The entire White House staff!!!!" I copied and pasted the comment, so the wording is exact.
Link: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=305903026189811&set=a.225932444186870.49466.225921714187943&type=1&theater¬if_t=like
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)as the threat is against "the entire White House staff!!!!" you should report it to the Secret Service. They will use their professional judgment whether it needs further action, as in a visit to Mr. Peyton.
DaveJ
(5,023 posts)If I wasn't witnessing wingnuts say these things myself, I'd think it was fake. It would be easy to post their bizarre ideas as a counter operative. But I know it's real. I know at least one or two of them.
Prior to this election, I was able to warp my mind into understanding their illogical perspectives. But now, they have become so outlandish that I don't see how they can even function in normal society. I know that we will be showing them sympathy for their condition, we won't continually mock them, we'll see their condition as an oddity but will still support them in their aspirations aside from controlling government, which I know they would never do for us if the situation were reversed.
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)Kennedy was Catholic and everybody over the age of 80 knows that Catholics hide guns in their basements,waiting on the word from the Pope to begin to take over the world.
Jimmy Carter was a Lawyer and somehow an incompetent micro manager who had a brother that was a lazy alcoholic and not too smart.
Bill Clinton was everything under the sun that people despise except he reached across the aisle and kissed the asses of the repugnants in order to cut deals which would not be accepted in a third world bazaar.
The Repugnants needed to spend 70+ million of the taxpayer dollars to unearth evidence of extra-marital behavior and impeach Billary for being a shitty shatty,kitty catty.
Hillary murdered the secretary of the navy in a public park and in broad daylight with a single gunshot and yet was undetected except for the valiant efforts of the thrice bankrupted Liberty University uncovering and exposing the story.
At night Hillary would don mens trousers.
In 1999 with peak oil far behind and global warming set to manifest itself,two assholes used the resources of the energy and military machinery to steal the election in order to conceal the damage done by de-regulation and round up energy markets around the globe.
Thus depriving Al Gore from becoming President.
Kennedy was a liberal.
I do not know what Johnson was other than a son am a bitch.
Carter,Liberal.
Clinton,mostly liberal.
Clinton with a dangling participle,liberal.
President Al Gore,extreme left wing genius liberal.
A small bothersome fact is that all the Presidents listed above are liberal.
Do we see a pattern emerging here?
The question now is,how low will they stoop in the future?
Brace yourselves,it is fixing to get worse in the land of justice delayed is justice denied.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Welcome, World Wide Wally. You need to e-mail this to Lewis Black. Notes for his next comedy special on HBO..
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)While I don't mind if ALL the Bush tax cuts expire, and I think we could survive the sequester, I am concerned about the UC extension and the doc fix. And the ultimate weapon the Rethug House holds is the debt ceiling. If enough of them cannot be persuaded to come over to the side of reason on that, they could really shut the Federal Government down.
I just wonder what the President will do when they threaten to nuke the whole economy. There would be no political price to pay for nearly two years.
catbyte
(34,390 posts)LukeFL
(594 posts)My friends are from there. Good, well educated people who love P. Obama abd wanted h to win. By the way repukes will hate Paraguay. Its a socialistic GOVERMENT.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)LukeFL
(594 posts)I hear you and totally understand your rant.
Kennah
(14,265 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)I'm afraid we are stuck with our own set of crazies. They've already made themselves unwelcome everywhere else on this planet just by their reputation. Kind of sucks (a lot) but they are as much a product of our history as any of us. We have to deal with them. And letting them know just what a bunch of craven idiots they are being is all part of the process of making this a better place. Their kids may get it, but I don't have much hope in changing the current batch of idiots around.
MyOpinion-2
(54 posts)Thank you for that
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)up at the mid term election and vote more repubs out.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)I would not have been so kind. You MFA..............
The more I read and hear about the rethugs the more disgusted I get with them. They have all lost contact with reality. They embrace lying and deception. They need to be voted out of existence.
-Airplane
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)dorkulon
(5,116 posts)I did. Sounds pretty crazy in retrospect, but I was honestly worried Bush might use the war on terra as an excuse to declare martial law or something and stay forever. These people seem crazy to me, mainly because Obama's just not the wannabe tyrant that Bush was, and his cronies don't seem quite as insane or megalomaniacal. But hey, potayto, potahto.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Somehow it worked out for them for awhile. Now, not so much and I expect they will decline further.
I don't see them figuring it out. They're their own worst enemies. I will enjoy watching them fester and rot.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Conservatives were basically self dis-enfranchised by their belief in this crap...
Let them go...
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I have some friends that are still extremely upset over what happened. The right is so closed minded, and hateful, it's to the point of ridiculous. This person in general, has said the same things over and over about Obama prior and now after the election. "He's scary". When I asked what that meant the only answer given was "I don't trust him". As I kept digging, the truth finally came out. She is a far right racist, and also hates all illegal immigrants. White supremecy came out. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It was pretty bad, and not worth repeating. The GOP has to change their stance on many issues, and they won't. It's not about them, it's about "US" as a country. They will NEVER change, and hopefully the GOP will soon be a thing of the past.
marias23
(379 posts)They piss me off as much as you, but if you show thay
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)Tell us how you REALLY feel
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)The right wing is so loonytunes, but to dig a bit deeper:
If we REALLY wanted to reelect President Obama, all we would have to do is to put one more progressive on the court, then when Obama expressed an interest, the Supreme Court could interpret the 22nd Amendment in the same way the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 10th, and 14th Amendments are interpreted. In other words, it is not a literal interpretation, but rather an interpretation based upon our progressive, evolving changes from an isolationist slave-holding country to one which we are rejecting capitalism and seeding a new, progressive agenda.
But we are better than that. We WILL play by the rules, despite the repressionist, racist rethugs.
NHDEMFORLIFE
(489 posts)The more whacky they act, in their words and deeds, the more sane Americans look at these lunatics as completely unhinged. And the more play the media gives them, it increases the chance that folks will rightfully lump the GOP in with them.