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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
2. Self-identification numbers do not change as much
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 04:23 AM
Nov 2016

That's what I learned to use. Pollsters err when they ask party affiliation as opposed to whether a voter self identifies as liberal or conservative. Actually they ask both in exit polls but too many pre-election polls ask merely party affiliation.

For example, in 2000 and 2004 Democrats won every state with at least 25% self-identified liberals according to the exit poll, and Republicans won every state with at least 37% self-identified conservatives. No state had both at the same time. So that simple method went 100-0 combined.

I mention those cycles because they were very tight in the national vote. That allowed the self-identified numbers to find their natural spot. It can vary somewhat when there is a tilt toward one side or another. After more than a decade of winning every presidential statewide bet I made -- using those self-identified numbers -- I lost two statewide wagers in 2008 because Obama's national advantage narrowly swayed two states into his column that have a high number of self-identified conservatives -- North Carolina and Indiana. I think I lost one by a tenth of a point and the other by three tenths. In 2012 both returned to their normal setting.

Some states can change as the population shifts. Virginia now has far fewer self-identified conservatives than when I started charting this. It was in the 39% range then dropped all the way to 31% in the 2012 exit poll. Likewise New Mexico and Colorado. However, states like that should never be taken for granted because the number of self-identified conservatives remains high. They hardly have the classic DNA of states Democrats figure to carry regardless of national margin. New Mexico still had 37% self-identified conservatives in the 2012 exit poll. We'd be moronic to ignore that state, despite the Hispanic numbers. Nevada remains in the 35-37% conservative range. It hits the higher number in midterms and the lower rate in presidential years. And that's all the difference, the makeup of the electorate.

I always have to laugh when a knucklehead like Rachel Maddow touts pickup opportunity in some state like South Carolina. She is good for that type of ignorance at least 2 or 3 times every cycle, based on some irrelevant poll during a Democratic uptick during the race. South Carolina always reports a range of 17% liberals and 40% conservatives, along with a very low percentage of Hispanics. There simply isn't logic toward a reversal, unless the national margin is overwhelming.

It will be interesting to see what the national self-identified percentages are this year. In 2012 it rose to 25% liberals according to the national exit poll. That was fantastic. Perhaps not sustainable. Conservatives were 35%.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
4. These polls were weighting by party affiliation, not "liberal" vs. "conservative," which is highly
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 05:16 AM
Nov 2016

subjective anyway.

And it makes no sense to weight today's poll by 2012 party numbers, when Trump (and other factors) could be driving voters away -- especially women.

The most reputable pollsters do NOT weight by party.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
6. Party affiliation was the only element weighted to match their poll in 2012.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:11 AM
Nov 2016

The other demos should be weighted by the most recent demographic info they have about those characteristics -- but since things like the racial makeup of a population change only slowly over time, there probably wouldn't be much difference between 2012 and now.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
3. I agree too. Reps crossing to vote Hillary,
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 04:43 AM
Nov 2016

Dems crossing to vote Trump (seems to be much less in Florida), and big upsurge in the Latino vote, suggests this can't really be compared with 2012.

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