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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:46 AM Nov 2016

Women will decide this election. That seems clear to me.

And they'll surprise many pollsters, too. As some surveying of actual early voters appears to show, more Republicans appear to be switching their presidential vote to Clinton than anyone expected. While those surveys don't seem to be gender-specific, I suspect that it is Republican women who are making the difference.

If that holds true right through November 8, polling companies are going to be looking for new ways to proceed in the next presidential election. If, as I expect, Hillary does better than the average of polls next Tuesday, the algorithms the polling companies are using this year are flawed, and badly so.

Women have long been underestimated as a voting block by pollsters, and this year's election has real impacts on women who are affiliated with both parties. Republican women, especially, have to be looking at the rank misogyny of Donald Trump and considering their votes in a different way than has been typical.

There are plenty of moderate Republicans in this country. They generally vote for the nominee of their party, but Donald Trump is an aberration in the history of Republican candidates. His appeal is to people who have strong bigoted opinions in just about every area. His misogyny is so blatant and open that many moderate Republican women may be likely to vote against him, even if they vote down-ballot for Republicans.

I believe the pollsters are missing that to a fairly large degree. If I'm right, the final results on November 8 may come as a big surprise to many people, including those professional pollsters.

We shall see on Wednesday morning. Yes we shall.

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Women will decide this election. That seems clear to me. (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2016 OP
The child rape case took on new life after Trump's pussy grabbing video aired. Coyotl Nov 2016 #1
Unfortunately, the planned announcement got cancelled. MineralMan Nov 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #2
See ya! MineralMan Nov 2016 #5
I wish women were as excited for Hillary aaaaaa5a Nov 2016 #3
Many women are. Others may not be, but are disgusted with Trump. MineralMan Nov 2016 #6
Good! aaaaaa5a Nov 2016 #7
woman, and all the lovely Sanders people & people who don't want their daughters to grow-up Sunlei Nov 2016 #8
Just found this on Twitter: Coyotl Nov 2016 #9
LOL! I saw that the other day on FB. MineralMan Nov 2016 #10
K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #11
Thanks for the kick! MineralMan Nov 2016 #12
Any large bloc can be credited with swaying an election. Orsino Nov 2016 #13
We usually get pretty good demographic information MineralMan Nov 2016 #14
Clinton's appeal is broad, but no, we won't know. Orsino Nov 2016 #15
Women and Latinx. I thought as much when Trump won the nomination. apnu Nov 2016 #16
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
1. The child rape case took on new life after Trump's pussy grabbing video aired.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:53 AM
Nov 2016

When one factors in the number of women who have been sexually assaulted in some way, or even mistreated by a boorish misogynist, I don't see how Trump can possibly break out of his deficit. And now major media outlets are picking up the story too.

#TrumpRapeCase = Trump’s Child-Rape Accuser Going Public

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. Unfortunately, the planned announcement got cancelled.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:56 AM
Nov 2016

Death threats were the reason, and the victim decided not to appear and risk losing her anonymity.

I hope that changes this week, but I'm not certain. The media has been reluctant to cover that lawsuit. If news outlets do take it up and publicize it, though, it will add to the number of people who will switch parties to vote against Trump, I think. How much? That's hard to predict, since many will have already decided to switch.

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
3. I wish women were as excited for Hillary
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:55 AM
Nov 2016

as I am.

I continue to be amazed with the lack of excitement and enthusiasm for such a historically defining moment as "first woman president in history."

This campaign has been a real eye opener.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. Many women are. Others may not be, but are disgusted with Trump.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:59 AM
Nov 2016

Either way, he won't get those votes.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
8. woman, and all the lovely Sanders people & people who don't want their daughters to grow-up
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:13 AM
Nov 2016

with 'Leaders' like trump, people who don't want their sons to emulate the likes of trump, people who can see the difference between a lifetime of BS & parties and a lifetime of public service.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. Thanks for the kick!
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 12:54 PM
Nov 2016

I agree. I think they are ignoring women in talking about this election. If we're right, though, their impact will show up in the results Tuesday.

I can't wait.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. Any large bloc can be credited with swaying an election.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 12:57 PM
Nov 2016

I'm just glad women finally have an extra reason to GOTV.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
15. Clinton's appeal is broad, but no, we won't know.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 01:08 PM
Nov 2016

Or rather, there's no one answer, even if, say, women as a group showed the largest shift. We won't be able to credit any single demographic precisely because Clinton has appeal almost across the board--and thank goodness for that.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
16. Women and Latinx. I thought as much when Trump won the nomination.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 01:23 PM
Nov 2016

White men are going to break for Trump. Just like they did for McCain and Romney. It will be up to women and latinx to save America this time.

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