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***Suffolk U/Boston Globe poll of NH LV shows tie*** (Original Post) triron Nov 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Nov 2016 #2
impossible there are an odd number of voters snooper2 Nov 2016 #3
Crap. 3/3 polls from NH have been terrible. That was supposed to be part of the blue wall. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #4
3 bad polls from 1 state vdogg Nov 2016 #10
Florida is razor close, and the early vote there is hard to decipher. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #14
NH and FL are apples and oranges jcgoldie Nov 2016 #19
Florida is home of Florida Man, lots of Trumpers in that state. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #23
Very very unlikely NH will vote R, there are many liberal strongholds MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #21
not saying it's cause for panic, but it is disquieting nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #24
Additional data says Comey actions really hurt HRC here MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #27
Yes but it was looking good for the Senate too DLCWIdem Nov 2016 #16
President Obama is there on Monday MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #17
Does NH have early voting? moose65 Nov 2016 #5
NH is very difficult to poll correctly Obama won by 5 points MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #6
This is really bad. The fake "re-opening" of email investigation is taking its toll. (eom) StevieM Nov 2016 #7
Everyone there is white molova Nov 2016 #8
NH was considered to be part of the Blue Wall. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #12
One state -- as in he needs to win everything else AND flip a major blue state like PA or MI. anneboleyn Nov 2016 #26
I'm more than questioning it Awsi Dooger Nov 2016 #29
Its 4 EVs ... Cosmocat Nov 2016 #32
4 EVs is the difference between 268 and 272 EVs, in other words possibly the future of the Republic. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #46
Yeah, no ... Cosmocat Nov 2016 #56
Relax. NH is only relevant if Trump can piechartking Nov 2016 #34
Trump literally being one state away from having a clear path to the presidency is scary as shit. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #47
Yeah I'm nervous too but piechartking Nov 2016 #49
Obviously no, but ugh this is appallingly close and it really geek tragedy Nov 2016 #50
That is not true. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #51
what part? geek tragedy Nov 2016 #54
I don't buy it...heard the same stuff in 12 Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #55
42% each. Dawson Leery Nov 2016 #11
NH seems to be very elastic ram2008 Nov 2016 #13
"Bleeding white support?" Really? Let's not get too crazy. Hillary can lose NH and still anneboleyn Nov 2016 #22
All the good polls today and people are ready to jump off a bridge over one state vdogg Nov 2016 #15
Dems are ahead across the board in NC. Dawson Leery Nov 2016 #18
here's the deal: NH is supposed to be part of the wall. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #52
I looked at internals some. triron Nov 2016 #20
What jumped out at me was piechartking Nov 2016 #36
2010 was an off year election. Dawson Leery Nov 2016 #39
NH Dem chairman tweeted yesterday about 2 polls DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #25
I think he meant the WMUR (WBUR?) one n/t piechartking Nov 2016 #37
Eh, Don't panic or bed wet, GOTV. SaschaHM Nov 2016 #28
HRC campaign has Pres O's pollsters. Iliyah Nov 2016 #30
Please more details triron Nov 2016 #33
Outlier poll - no worries. Joe941 Nov 2016 #40
Here's the poll vdogg Nov 2016 #43
Very interesting data HRC has 209 votes further MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #45
Here are the actual voter registration triron Nov 2016 #48
Sample size for D, R, I are just fine in poll MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #53
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Response to triron (Original post)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Crap. 3/3 polls from NH have been terrible. That was supposed to be part of the blue wall.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:08 PM
Nov 2016

That's disquieting. One bad poll in a day is meh. Three in one day is ...

We could be looking at Nevada being the difference between victory and defeat. Which is good news since we're running very strong there.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
10. 3 bad polls from 1 state
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:10 PM
Nov 2016

We had several good polls from other states, including Florida, which is confirmed by early voting data. We could lose several New Hamphires and make it up with Florida.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Florida is razor close, and the early vote there is hard to decipher.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:13 PM
Nov 2016

Republicans are doing better in the early voting there than they did in 2012, but there are signs they're cannibalizing their election day vote instead of turning out unlikely voters, and there's signs the NPA vote might lean Democratic.

But it's goddamn close.

NH has traditionally been bluer than Florida.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Florida is home of Florida Man, lots of Trumpers in that state.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:27 PM
Nov 2016

yeah, it should go for Clinton based on diversity, but the numbers aren't giving a lot of insight right now.

All you can know about Florida is that it's going to be a margin of at most 3% either way, and we don't know how that's going to break down because it's all about who goes out to vote.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
21. Very very unlikely NH will vote R, there are many liberal strongholds
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:25 PM
Nov 2016

Towards side of MA and they will pull HRC on top. The population is pretty much static with 700k likely voters and Dems have a leed of about 30k votes, I know three polls came with tied race but in this small population very difficult to get correct results with small sample.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
27. Additional data says Comey actions really hurt HRC here
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

I am hopeful the Indies who became undecided are disgruntled Comeygate voters, they will come back, no way they will vote Trump

moose65

(3,167 posts)
5. Does NH have early voting?
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:08 PM
Nov 2016

NH doesn't have much of a minority population, so there's not much vote to suppress! I can't believe it's tied there, though! They've been subjected to this campaign bullshit for 2 years now. I'm sure they just want it to go away!

 

molova

(543 posts)
8. Everyone there is white
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:09 PM
Nov 2016

Therefore I'm not freaking out. They are unlike other important states we need to win.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. NH was considered to be part of the Blue Wall.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:11 PM
Nov 2016

If Trump wins there, he's likely only 1 state away from being president.

Starting to question Clinton doing appearances in AZ but ignoring NH.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
29. I'm more than questioning it
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

More emphasis on Arizona than New Hampshire is idiotic. We are not going to carry Arizona in 2016 unless we win nationwide by 8 points or more.

New Hampshire voters often follow their own path. I'm never fully confident there.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
32. Its 4 EVs ...
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016

Not awesome if they lose the handle on a state that ideally should be in the fold, but if there is one, this is it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. 4 EVs is the difference between 268 and 272 EVs, in other words possibly the future of the Republic.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:04 PM
Nov 2016

Fortunately, NV looks to be much better for Clinton than NH does.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
56. Yeah, no ...
Fri Nov 4, 2016, 12:28 PM
Nov 2016

Sorry, if Hill can't take any other state, literally because ANY other state would make up for NH, then she is losing the election anyways.

piechartking

(617 posts)
34. Relax. NH is only relevant if Trump can
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:40 PM
Nov 2016

pick off NV, and then win OH, FL, NC, IA and ME-02.

If she wins ANY of those six places I just mentioned above, and holds the line on MI, WI, PA and CO, we're golden.

go to 270towin.com and see for yourself.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. Trump literally being one state away from having a clear path to the presidency is scary as shit.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:06 PM
Nov 2016

And right now, bricks are falling out of the blue wall rather than being added.

That should make people nervous that there could be late movement towards Trump in other states.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
50. Obviously no, but ugh this is appallingly close and it really
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:17 PM
Nov 2016

speaks of how f@cked up this country is.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
54. what part?
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:22 PM
Nov 2016

NH went from solid blue to toss up.

I can see disregarding one poll, but when you get three on the same day all showing bad results, there's something going on.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
55. I don't buy it...heard the same stuff in 12
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 06:50 PM
Nov 2016

It was untrue...polls are swinging wildly...think it is mostly bullshit. I find the closer to election, the less trustworthy polls are.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
13. NH seems to be very elastic
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:13 PM
Nov 2016

Usually swings wildly depending on where the trend is going. Florida, NC have been the opposite, relatively stable.

To me this means Hillary is bleeding white support but motivating minority turnout. It's possible she loses NH, Ohio while winning NC, Fla and even AZ.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
22. "Bleeding white support?" Really? Let's not get too crazy. Hillary can lose NH and still
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:26 PM
Nov 2016

win comfortably. And they have been talking about the *possibility* that NH goes for Trump since NH has some weird Trumpers there.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
15. All the good polls today and people are ready to jump off a bridge over one state
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:14 PM
Nov 2016

This place is ridiculous sometimes.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
52. here's the deal: NH is supposed to be part of the wall.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:21 PM
Nov 2016

NC, AZ, FL, IA, OH are all padding the final score states.

NH is supposed to be part of the core group of states to get us to 270.

Once blue wall states start slipping, that opens up a path to 270 for Trump.

Right now, he doesn't have a path because NV is getting close to locked down.

But, that means she can't afford to lose any other blue wall state.

triron

(22,006 posts)
20. I looked at internals some.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:24 PM
Nov 2016

500 sample size from 2010 voter files I think. 151 D 160 R 188 Ind/Unaf
260 female 240 male

Comments?

piechartking

(617 posts)
36. What jumped out at me was
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:41 PM
Nov 2016

voter registration was like 32 R, 30 D, 35 indy.

I've never looked at internals for an NH poll before, so unsure if that's just normal, though. Just seemed kind of low for D to me.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
39. 2010 was an off year election.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:45 PM
Nov 2016

Presidential elections have much higher turnout.

There is clearly a movement to support Donnie Himmler.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
25. NH Dem chairman tweeted yesterday about 2 polls
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:29 PM
Nov 2016

Yesterday a DU'er linked to a tweet from, iirc, the NH state Dem chairman that said 2 polls were coming out tomorrow (now today) and only 1 was reality-based. Presumably this Suffolk poll is the one not based in reality.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
28. Eh, Don't panic or bed wet, GOTV.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

I have a feeling that this may be more exaggerated that's to Trump's FBI lapdog, James Comey. In the WI poll that caused a bit of shock for that day and then things stabilized the next day or so.

Take this poll as a reminder that it is time to clean house at the FBI after this election if/when we win.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
30. HRC campaign has Pres O's pollsters.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:33 PM
Nov 2016

NH is still in HRC's court and she's doing quite well in NV, FL and OH is in play.

Guess what, I'll trust them first.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
45. Very interesting data HRC has 209 votes further
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:03 PM
Nov 2016

38 are undecided, 245 voted for Obama in 2012, now add 209 and 38 = 247... Bingo

After comey shit, 38 people got undecided, they will be back home if not all, all HRC needs is half ...

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
53. Sample size for D, R, I are just fine in poll
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 03:22 PM
Nov 2016

This poll is probably showing temp Comey effect, President will be there on Monday.

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