2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum***Suffolk U/Boston Globe poll of NH LV shows tie***
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That's disquieting. One bad poll in a day is meh. Three in one day is ...
We could be looking at Nevada being the difference between victory and defeat. Which is good news since we're running very strong there.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)We had several good polls from other states, including Florida, which is confirmed by early voting data. We could lose several New Hamphires and make it up with Florida.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Republicans are doing better in the early voting there than they did in 2012, but there are signs they're cannibalizing their election day vote instead of turning out unlikely voters, and there's signs the NPA vote might lean Democratic.
But it's goddamn close.
NH has traditionally been bluer than Florida.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)NH may traditionally be bluer but its also a hell of a lot whiter.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)yeah, it should go for Clinton based on diversity, but the numbers aren't giving a lot of insight right now.
All you can know about Florida is that it's going to be a margin of at most 3% either way, and we don't know how that's going to break down because it's all about who goes out to vote.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)Towards side of MA and they will pull HRC on top. The population is pretty much static with 700k likely voters and Dems have a leed of about 30k votes, I know three polls came with tied race but in this small population very difficult to get correct results with small sample.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)I am hopeful the Indies who became undecided are disgruntled Comeygate voters, they will come back, no way they will vote Trump
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Better get Bernie ov e there.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)moose65
(3,167 posts)NH doesn't have much of a minority population, so there's not much vote to suppress! I can't believe it's tied there, though! They've been subjected to this campaign bullshit for 2 years now. I'm sure they just want it to go away!
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)In 2012 and that was just 40k votes
StevieM
(10,500 posts)molova
(543 posts)Therefore I'm not freaking out. They are unlike other important states we need to win.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)If Trump wins there, he's likely only 1 state away from being president.
Starting to question Clinton doing appearances in AZ but ignoring NH.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)More emphasis on Arizona than New Hampshire is idiotic. We are not going to carry Arizona in 2016 unless we win nationwide by 8 points or more.
New Hampshire voters often follow their own path. I'm never fully confident there.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Not awesome if they lose the handle on a state that ideally should be in the fold, but if there is one, this is it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Fortunately, NV looks to be much better for Clinton than NH does.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Sorry, if Hill can't take any other state, literally because ANY other state would make up for NH, then she is losing the election anyways.
piechartking
(617 posts)pick off NV, and then win OH, FL, NC, IA and ME-02.
If she wins ANY of those six places I just mentioned above, and holds the line on MI, WI, PA and CO, we're golden.
go to 270towin.com and see for yourself.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And right now, bricks are falling out of the blue wall rather than being added.
That should make people nervous that there could be late movement towards Trump in other states.
piechartking
(617 posts)Would you rather be facing what Trump's facing?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)speaks of how f@cked up this country is.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NH went from solid blue to toss up.
I can see disregarding one poll, but when you get three on the same day all showing bad results, there's something going on.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)It was untrue...polls are swinging wildly...think it is mostly bullshit. I find the closer to election, the less trustworthy polls are.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)That is low.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Usually swings wildly depending on where the trend is going. Florida, NC have been the opposite, relatively stable.
To me this means Hillary is bleeding white support but motivating minority turnout. It's possible she loses NH, Ohio while winning NC, Fla and even AZ.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)win comfortably. And they have been talking about the *possibility* that NH goes for Trump since NH has some weird Trumpers there.
vdogg
(1,384 posts)This place is ridiculous sometimes.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NC, AZ, FL, IA, OH are all padding the final score states.
NH is supposed to be part of the core group of states to get us to 270.
Once blue wall states start slipping, that opens up a path to 270 for Trump.
Right now, he doesn't have a path because NV is getting close to locked down.
But, that means she can't afford to lose any other blue wall state.
triron
(22,006 posts)500 sample size from 2010 voter files I think. 151 D 160 R 188 Ind/Unaf
260 female 240 male
Comments?
piechartking
(617 posts)voter registration was like 32 R, 30 D, 35 indy.
I've never looked at internals for an NH poll before, so unsure if that's just normal, though. Just seemed kind of low for D to me.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Presidential elections have much higher turnout.
There is clearly a movement to support Donnie Himmler.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Yesterday a DU'er linked to a tweet from, iirc, the NH state Dem chairman that said 2 polls were coming out tomorrow (now today) and only 1 was reality-based. Presumably this Suffolk poll is the one not based in reality.
piechartking
(617 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I have a feeling that this may be more exaggerated that's to Trump's FBI lapdog, James Comey. In the WI poll that caused a bit of shock for that day and then things stabilized the next day or so.
Take this poll as a reminder that it is time to clean house at the FBI after this election if/when we win.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)NH is still in HRC's court and she's doing quite well in NV, FL and OH is in play.
Guess what, I'll trust them first.
triron
(22,006 posts)on what campaign internals show.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)vdogg
(1,384 posts)R sample is high. Is that normal for NH? What did it look like in '8 and '12?
http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/11_3_2016_marginals.pdf
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)38 are undecided, 245 voted for Obama in 2012, now add 209 and 38 = 247... Bingo
After comey shit, 38 people got undecided, they will be back home if not all, all HRC needs is half ...
triron
(22,006 posts)numbers: http://sos.nh.gov/NamesHistory.aspx
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)This poll is probably showing temp Comey effect, President will be there on Monday.