Cenk Uygur just announced he's voting for Hillary Clinton.

[JRLeft]

I know a lot of members despise him because he's not pro Hillary all the time, but that's not the job of the media. The media should not have cozy relationships with any of our politicians we need separation not friendships.

We've complained about it with republicans and we were right and it's not right when it happens on our side either.

Media kisses politicians asses for access. I don't care about media access, I care about facts not what's fed to the media through staffers.

Truth no matter what.

[Demsrule86]

1. While I am glad he is voting for Hillary, he still turned many against her... sorry he is not a

journalist ...and with someone like Trump running that was a terrible thing to do.

[JoePhilly]

9. Exactly ... He worked hard to get younger voters to ...

... hate her.

Now in the final hours, he says he will vote for her.

It's likely his one vote won't make up for the people he convienced to vote 3rd party or stay home.

[Demsrule86]

19. Nope it won't. I can't stand the guy and will never watch his show which I used to quite often.

[uppityperson]

173. Hey girl.

How's your collection of halloween candy rappers doing?

[TexasTowelie]

206. I wish I had read that.

[betsuni]

214. Oh, it was good.

It was (I'm paraphrasing): "You people (who mock anyone who isn't '100% Hillarybot') have forced me to vote for Trump. Not only that, I will actively persuade thousands of others to vote for Trump in this here swing state I am in (really, it's true) because the Clintons have destroyed the Democratic Party, it is dying (especially Hillary, who is a failure as a wife, SoS, getting health care, etc. and of course "a failure as a human being&quot ; and you people ('Hillbots') have been intolerant and hateful because you mock my hysterical Hillary Derangement issue. Wall Street! Big Banks! Goldwater Girl! We must destroy the Democratic Party to save it. You people on his authoritarian message board are probably a HUGE majority female and black and ignore facts just because they come from Wikileaks. WE TRIED TO WARN YOU. Alas. Why did you not listen when your superiors told you the True Progressive truth? No wonder the smartest have left. You people must lose, for good, forever. You'll be sorry, you'll all be very, very %100 sorry *runs screaming into the night*"

[TexasTowelie]

215. I wonder which former DUer that now posts on the other site posted that?

No answer needed, I already have a good guess.

[vdogg]

229. Your signature is mesmerizing.

I just spent 5 minutes staring at it.

[TexasTowelie]

230. Yes,

the rainbow circle rivals some of the kaleidoscope images that you see on the psychedelic YouTube videos.

[Demsrule86]

218. Thanks you always wonder what a poster posted (I didn't see it)

to you that got his message removed. My little, I won't watch his show got that? My complete loyalty to Hillary and the Democratic party drives this sort a little crazy. When they start in about Democrats, I point out every progressive gift they have like student loans, social security, medicare, Medicaid,Obamacare, 40 hour week,overtime pay etc came from the Democratic Party. You should see what they post on my facebook...I use it for Huffpo and often post there. I was on Huffpo before I came here, but I didn't like the changes.

[betsuni]

223. I think that person was such an angry sputtering hot baked potato that he replied to the

first poster randomly. He also insulted Skinner and gave a special shout-out to Sid Dithers as a paid Canadian troll, it really didn't have anything to do with you.

[Demsrule86]

235. Well...he sounds like he used to be one of us...and that is sad.

Unless of course he was always a troll.

[betsuni]

240. Anyone who says that all DU has left are "females and blacks" is a troll,

although he probably thought he was one of us because of the "democratic" "Democratic" confusion. A lot of people now on other websites couldn't grasp that this site is for supporters of the Democratic Party. Not too bright.

[Demsrule86]

241. You are right.

He was a troll...woman and minority hater...maybe a Trump supporter.

[JRLeft]

20. Young voters disliked her because of her incrementalism.

It's viewed as working around the edges not to piss off the donors.

[NCTraveler]

24. .

[ProudProgressiveNow]

27. +1 nt

[JoePhilly]

35. Its called getting things done.

The fact that some young people don't get that can be laid at the feet of folks like Cenk ... who is now, finally, going to do the right thing.

[JRLeft]

46. I disagree, there's comprise and then there is let's not piss off Wall Street.

[JoePhilly]

99. Well .... hopefully you'll get 8 years to complain about Hillary as she gets things done ...

... while fighting against a GOP congress who would destroy the country just to spite her.

[George II]

145. Can you explain that statement? Please?

[Demsrule86]

222. That is unfair.

We have had a gerrymandered House since 2010. And guess what many of us have 401 K's and don't want them to be emptied as the financials move to China. This is the main reason I did not support a different candidate.

[Demsrule86]

42. Given our divided country...there is going to have to be incrementalism...or do you

you suppose Congress will just lay down and die?

[JRLeft]

48. Compromise by starting far left and end up in the center instead of start negotiations

from the right and end up further right.

[bettyellen]

64. Fat left like no restrictions at all on abortion? that would have tanked Sanders candidacy -there's

no one else out there wanting to remove all restrictions and it's political suicide to try it. Often, asking for much much more than you're ever going to get makes you look like a damned fool. Sorry but this gamesmanship idea is just childish in practice.

[JRLeft]

68. No like ask for Single-Payer and settle for the public option.

[JoePhilly]

102. PO was never going to pass ... that horse has been beaten to death over the last 8 years.

Time to move on.

[JRLeft]

134. The fact that both parties took money from the insurance industry had big impact too.

[JoePhilly]

139. Lobbyists always give to both sides.

And as for this "both parties" nonsense ...

100% of Republicans were not going to vote for a PO. About 6 Democrats were unwilling to support it.

The two parties were not equal here.

[JCanete]

199. Why do lobbyists always give to both sides? Cuz they want a fair fight?

Because they never expect a return on their investment? What are you saying with that exactly?

[George II]

150. This again? A President doesn't do it all by him/herself. A President needs to get legislation....

...passed by Congress. Have you seen the make up of Congress recently, and sadly, what we'll most likely have in January? Probably still a republican majority in the House and a razor-thin majority in the Senate.

So, just how do you propose a President "ask for single-payer and settle for the public option" when at least one of the two houses that introduces and passed legislation has been working for six years to repeal the legislation in the first place.

[Grey Lemercier]

207. +1

single payer or other form of universal care is needed
so is free or nearly free uni education

just like almost all the rest of the most advanced nations have (here in the UK we have free healthcare but uni is not)

BUT America is FUCKED due to Rethug Congress

the next 4 years are going to be a nightmare, especially after 2018 elections

[Demsrule86]

224. We were never going to get either...that was the reality.

We had to use the legislation as written...couldn't even change typos. We barely got what we have passed...between Kennedy being sick and later dying (Scott Brown), conservadems like Landreiu,Lieberman ET AL...we got what we could. And guess what thousands of people have lived because of it including my daughter. We have a grandfathered in 'retirement' policy with an 8000 deductible.They kick kids off at 24. She is still in college and became very ill last year. Hospitals don't treat you without insurance these days. She would have died. Hubs was forced out of his job for being 50, but we are making it in large part thanks to Obama and the auto rescue ... Obama saved our economy and gave us healthcare...pretty impressive if you ask me. Yeah...imagine if he was not abandoned in 2010.

[Demsrule86]

219. You are kidding yourself with the Congress we have there is very little that can be

accomplished in terms of legislation. What we can do is hold the line...and put liberal judges on SCOTUS...that will be about it unless we take the house. You have to be somewhat realistic and blaming Democrats for this situation is unfair and self-defeating. Had we kept the House and Senate...stood with our president...things would look very different.Maybe we could even have a public option by now...but some bailed and that only helps the GOP.

[JHan]

91. I am 22 years old that nonsense annoys me because..

this whole idea of "revolution" is myopic and often nonsensical. It is fine to push more and demand more but we also need to understand how the system works. No President or Senator can bully their ideas through congress without abuse of power - and there are enough complaints about Presidents abusing executive power and becoming "imperialist" - to quote Taft. This is not the kind of behavior to encourage. Instead of fussing about Incrementalism, which is the inevitable result of having to work with people who disagree with us ideologically, we should be making convincing arguments to sway voters and sway republican districts, in spite of the gerrymandering nonsense. And we need incrementalists , we need policy wonks and technocrats who can "sweat the details" and get stuff done - else you get nothing done because of pigheadishness - "my way or the highway" is precisely the problem in congress right now.

[Auntie Bush]

133. Nice post JHan.

Hard to believe you are only 22 years old and such a good thinker. We need more like you around here and across the country.

[Fla Dem]

138. Well stated!

[Demsrule86]

220. You are correct...how did you get to be so smart at 22?

I sure wasn't!

[DemonGoddess]

137. What they're not seeing and understanding is

that incrementalism is how things get done. You get one part done, give and take a bit, get more done, and so on. It doesn't all fall into your lap, EVER. It has to be worked for, in steps.

[Cha]

211. That's just silly. It's called Democracy and the way progress

is actually made.

And, Hillary does get things done and that's one of many reasons why she's winning.

[LuvLoogie]

234. Young voters design castles. Hillary lays bricks.

[Dawson Leery]

43. He played and promoted the bullshit that Hillary is corrupt.

[JRLeft]

51. You don't believe Wall Street money influences politicians?

[Charles Bukowski]

67. Are you saying Hillary is corrupt?

[JRLeft]

97. I guess it has no impact on republicans, right? No reason to care about dark money then.

We should eliminate all restrictions on money in elections.

[Flatpicker]

153. Are we saying that anybody is above it?

Hell,
You give me $20.00 and I'm going to have a more favorable view of you over the person who didn't.

Can't we accept, across the board, that a person is more inclined to be favorable to you if you give them something of value?

It doesn't have to be overt corruption. It's human nature. By bringing money into the mix, we are creating a situation where decisions can be influenced by something other than merit.

[Bradical79]

69. It's not an unreasonable opinion

But you have to actually show how this is happening. So far, the charity is shown to be on the up and up, and her private speeches everyone wanted to see were pretty much a whole bunch of nothing when transcripts were exposed. She doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot out of any kind of quid pro quo. Lots of corruption is suggested, but don't turn up much when any digging is done.

[JRLeft]

84. You don't believe Wall Street is that generous do you?

Wall Street expects something for its money. And yes she's still better than republicans all dems are.

We have to get the money out of politics.

[JoePhilly]

107. What ruling allowed more money into politics?

Why did that case come into existence?

Which side was Hillary on?

[JHan]

110. Wall Street is the reason why we enjoy such financial leverage in the world..

There's her idea that Wall St should regulate itself - is this a good idea? Yes or no? If not, can Government regulation do everything? When does regulation become Government overreach? - At the end of the day we NEED a culture change in Wall St and what is driving that culture ? Not our obsession with growth? Particularly quarterly growth - and she's talked about this. And if you want an example of how terribad excessive regulation is , ask yourself why Mylan ended up monopolizing the epi pen market, it's not like other companies didn't try to get cheaper pens on the market. So we have to find a good balance between regulation and de regulation - Clinton's excerpt explores the challenges of this ..

Another quote : “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” - this sounds sexy as hell to me, I'd support it.

And Clinton's views on Trade - People love to complain about Free Trade but can't offer solid, verifiable reasons why it's such a problem. Indeed, the TPP gets a lot of hate but a lot of people have little to no clue what's actually in the TPP. There are VERY good reasons why it was considered the gold standard of trade deals at one point.

So instead of knocking her off for giving speeches, after all people make money off of speeches all the time , look at the excerpts and treat them as nuggets of her thought process- after all we don't have the full context of her speeches and these excerpts were the ones the campaign thought most problematic . I think her advisors should have encouraged her to release them and defend her views. I actually like the Hillary in these excerpts.

[Demsrule86]

225. I don't believe Hillary is corrupt.

And I despise Cenk for saying it. Listen...the Greens gave us United when they helped elect Bush in 2000; Wall Street is not the problem ...unlimited money is the problem...always these folks attack Democrats and let the GOP slide.

[metroins]

53. I agree with you. Nt

[Fast Walker 52]

79. well said-- indeed. I know a couple who believe his BS reporting on the Clinton Foundation

and the supposed corruption.

[OnDoutside]

2. It's officially a bandwagon folks !

[Barack_America]

4. More like a "come to Jesus", I think.

[JRLeft]

12. He still believes she's too cozy with Wall Street. I agree with him, but she's better than Trump.

Way better. Light years.

[Barack_America]

154. Agreed. And hence the futility of a protest vote this year.

Any legitimate remaining argument for a protest vote was killed by the revelation the FBI has been utterly compromised, IMO.

[Demsrule86]

226. A bit late...and he is still trashing her.

So fuck you Cent.

[Lucinda]

3. Eh. It's a vote and that's good...but he is still awful. n/t

[Kahuna]

28. ^^This.

[Dem2]

5. He's the Howard Stern "shock jock" of politics

But we'll take the vote.

[JRLeft]

13. Is that because he didn't back her 100%?

[Dem2]

15. Nah. It's because he's a rage-a-holic

He owns the mic and when he goes off on something - d'oh - you're stuck listening to him go on and on - especially annoying when one disagrees with him, but it's also annoying when I agree with him.

[Demsrule86]

23. How many votes did he cost Sec Clinton with his nasty comments

He attacked her over and over even after the primary was over and he knew Trump would be the candidate. I call him selfish and urge him to check his privilege.

[JCanete]

192. This is silly, as usual. You can't always blame the person who talks about a person's

past policies and platforms for those past policies and platforms. She does actually have to own some of that grief. It's not like he was doing the bullshit the right-wing does. He wasn't pulling shit out of thin air. If people agreed that the issues he had with her were substantial, maybe he cost Clinton votes, but people who can't get past their precious candidate being criticized, ever, for anything, seem awfully indoctrinated from the vantage of this Clinton voter.

[Demsrule86]

228. There is no'grief'...she has done nothing while elected that indicated close ties to Wall Street

She was the Senator from New York...Wall Street is the biggest employer....you better believe Sherrod Brown takes care of autos here in Ohio...big employer. She voted against CAFTA and has a liberal voting record as a Senator. So Cent is lying...what exactly did she do that warranted using right wing attacks...against a Democrat no less. She gave speeches as a private citizen...big deal...and I do blame him he used rightwing talking points to discourage people from voting Democrat is...he is an entitled piece of shit...and go straight to hell. I am sick of the Hillary is so corrupt talking point...it was always a right wing lie.

[JCanete]

254. what? bringing up the speeches was not a right wing attack, and would NEVER

have been brought up by a sane republican. People who live in glass houses are usually pretty respectful of ground-rules. Sanders brought up the speeches, and for damn good reason. That is a left wing anti-corporatocracy angle. Don't try to conflate it as a right-wing hit-job.

You'll have to point out what you consider right wing attacks at this point, because I have a feeling you've lumped any and all criticism together.

[musicblind]

250. No. It's because he trafficked in lies. n/t

[NastyWomen]

98. Funny tidbit

Stern is about as Dem as they come. He and his old man shaped my political leanings to some degree.

[Dem2]

179. Huh

I could never really stomach him for long, though I do recall his liberal leanings.

[NastyWomen]

181. LOL

It was phase of rebellion for me I guess. He is far brighter than given credit and has become rather tame in his later years. From what I hear, he and wife are just a couple of rich old cat people now. Haven't listened in years but occasionally look at his dying fan sites. They are all pissed because they think he sold out and became too PC. End Stern Rant!

[GWC58]

180. Even David Frum is voting Hillary!

[OKNancy]

6. fuck him

he called her the "Living Embodiment Of Corruption" yesterday

[Demsrule86]

25. What a POS...I did not know that.

[Rose Siding]

88. +1

"Media" my ass.

[DarthDem]

189. Good Call

He's a clown.

But thanks for the vote, Cenk!

[Ratty]

7. Whoa. "he's not pro Hillary all the time"

Um, have you *seen* some of the Hillary stories TYT puts out? I won't toss someone who's critical of Clinton under the bus but it's been almost a constant stream of pretty vile smears and patently false RW talking points out of his mouth. There's a huge difference between criticism and what that guy has been spouting. He's a nutjob in my book.

[JRLeft]

16. No it hasn't, he covers Trump far more. It's not his job to pretend like everything

is peaches and cream because it's not. Can name a couple of right wing smears he's used against her?

[Demsrule86]

26. All of them...go down to Breitbart and read them.

[JCanete]

194. can you point to the actually false right wing talking points? That would be a problem.

Have I missed them, or are we stretching here?

[Bobbie Jo]

8. All the time?

Try ever.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. He's a piece of shit

[NobodyHere]

11. I despise him because he's a genocide denier

Also he named his news network after a genocidal regime

[JRLeft]

14. Actually he has a video admitting it did happen.

[NobodyHere]

18. link?

[JRLeft]

39. Cenk Uygur

https://m.

Rescinding Daily Pennsylvanian Article
In TYTBlog by David KollerApril 22, 2016
Today, I rescind the statements I made in my Daily Pennsylvanian article from 1991 entitled, “Historical Fact of Falsehood? When I wrote that piece, I was a 21 year-old kid, who had a lot of opinions that I have since changed. Back then I had many political positions that were not well researched. For example, back in those days I held a pro-war rally for the Persian Gulf War. Anyone who knows me now knows that I am a very different person today.

I also rescind the statements I made in a letter to the editor I wrote in 1999 on the same issue. Back then I had a very different perspective and there were many things that I did not give due weight. On this issue, I should have been far, far more respectful of so many people who had lost family members. Their pain is heart-wrenching and should be acknowledged by all.

My mistake at the time was confusing myself for a scholar of history, which I most certainly am not. I don’t want to make the same mistake again, so I am going to refrain from commenting on the topic of the Armenian Genocide, which I do not know nearly enough about.

Thank you for being patient with me on this issue, though I might not have always merited it.

Cenk Uygur

https://tytnetwork.com/2016/04/22/rescinding-daily-pennsylvanian-article/

[NobodyHere]

132. I see he still doesn't acknowledge it

And he still names his show after a genocidal regime.

[NCTraveler]

21. Insignificant overall. He's personally responsible for suppressing more than one vote.

He has worked relentlessly to turn people away from her.

[OhZone]

29. I almost fell over dead at reading this. nt

[jzodda]

30. It's good news

[it means that some people are coming back hon to the Democratic party at the end! Even if they dislike Hillary they realize the alternative is a nut job in the white house.

That should give us hope that others, including millenials will follow suit!

Let's look at this as a positive!

[Demsrule86]

32. That is true...and maybe some seeing him voting for her will do the same...we can hope.

[jzodda]

36. Yep! I believe we will win

The idea of Trump taking the oath of office should scare everybody. Hope that at the young turks they push hard for our side till the polls close.

[JRLeft]

41. That's what he said. He also said we need support her on the good and

fight her on the bad.

[mcar]

74. Oooh, hold her feet to the fire?

No thanks TYT. Too little too late.

[JRLeft]

78. If know one holds her feet to the fire the money will win out.

[mcar]

86. If so-called progressives treat President H Clinton

the way they have President Obama we will have 8 more years of gridlock.

You want to hold a Democratic president's "feet to the fire?" (God, I hate that phrase)

Give her a solid Democratic congress. I mean solid, not just a few over. Then hold your Senator's and Representative's feet to the fire as well. Call, write,march if necessary.

And damn well vote for democrats in the mid-terms instead of staying home and whining that the president didn't do everything you wanted right away despite opposition.

Oh, and how about promoting Progressive and even 3rd party candidates for Mayor, City councils and state legislatures, instead of just jamming up the works every 4 years with poor 3rd party candidates who think they are entitled to votes even though they have no qualifications (hello, Dr Stein!)?

I'm not talking about you, specifically, JRLeft. I'm just so tired of some on the left who seem to be completely clueless about how government really works.

[JRLeft]

95. Democrats start off compromising from the right. We have to stop doing that.

We should put up the most progressive judges, we tend to put up moderates while the cons put up extremists.

[mcar]

103. So get the centrists through

Then we don't have to deal with decades of RWNJ judges. Then start pushing for and voting for more liberal judges.

Even with R obstruction, President Obama has gotten dozens of liberal judges appointed. That has a real effect on people's lives. Look at some of the court decisions re election obstruction.

We need to stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I am not willing to let the country burn so we can learn our lesson and elect only the purest of the pure. A) there is no such thing. B) that is not how politics works. C) I have 2 draft age sons. I'm not willing to have their lives sacrificed by a President Trump or Pence because BHO or HRC or whomever wasn't perfect enough for some on the left.

[Native]

184. Mcar nailed it with this, "We need to stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the good."

[George II]

114. So-called "progressives" started beating on Obama only weeks after he took office...

...whining and complaining that he hadn't already fulfilled ALL of his promises already! Seriously, there were some who dismissed him within weeks as an ineffective President. Chased me away from DU for a long time.

[mcar]

118. IIRC, they started on Inauguration Day

and didn't let up. Here on DU, if one pointed out that Republicans in Congress were obstructing everything, we were told that it wasn't necessary to criticize Rs here.

[George II]

121. It got to be unbearable, which is why I left. I truly hope that doesn't happen in January, but....

....if what we're already starting to read continues, I'm afraid it will.

[mcar]

125. Me too, George

I feel that we must be diligent here to at least try to prevent it from happening again.

[emulatorloo]

252. "Obama will slash Social Security in tonight's SOTU!"

That bullshit was peddled hard in '09.

I remember folks making bullshit claims Obama 'secretly' wanted the Ryan budget. But never a harsh word about Paul Ryan and the congressional Republicans who supported Ryan.

[Cha]

188. Well Done, mcar! Yeah, do everything 180 degrees differently

than they treated President Obama and we'll make more Progress than Obama did pretty much his own after two years.

The country and the Planet will appreciate that eternally!

[treestar]

246. I hate that phrase too

we need to support them rather than hold their feet to the fire. Congress has to know they have solid support. To be afraid to not be reelected if they don't pass the legislation. People should have learned this from their failure to get anything out of holding President Obama's feet to the fire.

[riversedge]

61. yes, he could influence some of his fans.

[stopbush]

33. Who?

[Bradical79]

34. He's certainly not someone to go to if you're looking for facts...

He's not a journalist, he's not a "fact checker", he's not a researcher of any kind. He gives opinions that sometimes align with the facts, and sometimes don't. His opinions on Clinton have been poorly reasoned and have more closely resembled Glenn Beck style chalkboard rants when he actually tries to back up his opinion of the Clinton charity with sources, for example. It just ends up being a highly biased opinion full of holes, innuendo, shady sources, and shoddy research. When I come across him pulling "facts" from sources like Zero Hedge, and other "facts" that can only be traced back to Breitbart and similar sites/blogs, I know that he's completely lost the plot.

[NCTraveler]

38. He knows his clientele.

[jzodda]

40. What you say is correct but....

But on YouTube TYT has millions of subscribers. A young audience that we need to reach. So it's good!

[JRLeft]

49. Can you provide me with a video of him spewing propaganda?

[Bradical79]

55. Two days ago

&feature=youtu.be&a

[JRLeft]

56. The Wikileaks emails are not propaganda. Wikileaks has a 100%

accuracy record. 10 years of 100% authenticity.

[Bradical79]

62. He also sourced Zero Hedge, for example.

Like I said, he fills in the blanks with innuendo and jumps in logic, uses some additional dubious sources, and spins it into a poorly reasoned conspiracy much like Beck, drawing connections to separate things that he has no way of knowing are real or not.

[JRLeft]

65. Was it true? What was it that he sourced?

[Bradical79]

71. Got to leave, but the video is right there.

He points to a Zero Hedge article around 6:40-6:50.

[JRLeft]

85. There's no link, and was it true.

[Flatpicker]

155. That is true.

Zero Hedge is terrible and Cenk cited it early this week.

Call him out on that.
But, if you know the citation, you can take or leave the info. To me ZH and IBD invalidate any story because they are not trusted sources.

[mcar]

116. What?

[sheshe2]

149. Wiki=Assange

0 credibility.

[George II]

165. Oh? You've been keeping statistics on wikileaks?

[Charles Bukowski]

200. I have

1 = rapist assholes who head the operation

[Demsrule86]

251. Not true

Even as Donald Trump obsessed during the second debate about the supposed internal emails from Hillary Clinton’s friend Sidney Blumenthal which showed him “admitting” that she had failed as Secretary of State, Newsweek reporter Kurt Eichenwald was in the process of figuring out that the key email in question didn’t really come from Blumenthal. How did Eichenwald figure it out? He realized that the email attributed to Blumenthal was actually something that he himself had written.

In other words WikiLeaks took a journalist’s words that were critical of Hillary Clinton and falsified them to make it appear that those words had come from within the Clinton camp itself. This represents absolutely proof that WikiLeaks is in fact leaking phony “Hillary Clinton emails” in an attempt to make her look bad. Or as Eichenwald puts it, “WikiLeaks is compromised.”

They make shit up with a little help from their Russian buddies...Wiki is hopelessly compromise due to Assange and attempting to elect Trump.

[George II]

171. Try this, but you have to sit through an ad first:

[demmiblue]

37. Meh... DU is emotionally/intellectually fickle at times.

Some only like those who back their point of view 100% of the time.

They will accept him back into the fold, just like they did Moore and Olbermann.

I agree, truth no matter what.

[JRLeft]

44. There are things I do not like to hear, but I need to hear them.

[Demsrule86]

52. With all due respect, that is nonsense...

No one needed to hear the shit coming out of Cent's mouth concerning Hillary...when she is the only one standing between us and Trump...and he used right wing talking points too...sorry you make excuses for him and for those who trash our candidates and our elected whenever they don't or often can't do what you want and where does that get us...nowhere...such behavior helps Republicans. We need to stand together and get those things we can and understand ...nothing will happen overnight...but it can happen if we stick together.

[JRLeft]

54. Hear what?

[demmiblue]

112. True. The others will get their little hissy-fits out of their systems and come together...

hopefully. Dog knows, they do like to hold onto their wee little grudges.

This election is far too important for our nation... we need to embrace all people who have come out in support of Secretary Clinton.

[snooper2]

47. He is a washed up douchebag- Zero fucks given

[JRLeft]

50. Then why did you respond to the thread?

[snooper2]

57. So you would respond

[JRLeft]

59. LMFAO!

😂😂😂😂😂

[budkin]

58. He's been an annoying shit this entire election

All he's been doing is telling people to panic.

[JRLeft]

60. He's been calling out corruption on both sides. Both parties take money from special interests and

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that's why 76% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Half of Americans live below or near the poverty line.

[Divine Discontent]

70. I appreciate you've remained respectful amidst the disapproval of Cenk.

It reminded me of people challenging Michael Moore in threads. I am always like, he has done a LOT for progressivism for 25 years. I remember him in the early 90s on that show he used to have called The Awful Truth.

My favorite episode is when he completely TROLLED Westboro "Baptist Church" --- cracks me up! http://www.liveleak.com/view?comments=1&i=0d8_1182426757

[BlueStreak]

63. Anybody who couldn't come to that answer months ago is simply not worthy of any consideration

Hillary isn't perfect. We'l have to watch her closely and fight against the tendency to reward the friends on Wall Street.

But seriously, she's running against Trump. Only a complete moron can't make a decision this simple more than 5 days before the election.

I don't believe Cenk is a complete moron, so I think we have to conclude this was just a "look at me" stunt.

[Squinch]

128. This exactly. You'd have to be seriously impaired not to have seen that there was no

question who the right choice was.

And I'm not jumping for joy at his announcement. Instead I'm wondering how many he convinced not to vote for her in all these months when he spewed his bullshit against her.

[nini]

73. He's a media whore like the rest of them

He drove his clicks on his site etc.. with his shit - now we're supposed to bow to him because he can't vote for Hillary? fuck him.

He's not better than the mainstream media really. Putting facts out is one thing - his bullshit and hate is another.

PBS puts out the facts - compare him to that - not even close.

[JCanete]

195. Doesn't sound factual. He lost his job on MSNBC for NOT towing the kind of line

that would have kept him in relative comfort. Saying he's in it for the clicks now seems like an easy way of attacking him because you don't like his perspective.

PBS does NOT put out the facts. There are plenty of facts that just go under reported because certain stories are inconvenient...certain perspectives that would highlight them too at odds with the producers, the sponsors(and they have them) and the audience. Im not saying I don't appreciate PBS but it is so concerned with never sounding partisan that it's coverage, while far better than CNN's, is generally pretty safe and lacking in valuable incisiveness.

I appreciate that he's impassioned about these issues myself. I appreciate that he has a distrust for the establishment, which, why the fuck don't you? And even if you disagree with him, why don't you appreciate somebody pushing on it? If you want the system you believe exists, you should be aware that it doesn't exist without outside pressure. Corruption is a real thing, and it wears no jersey. It just goes where the blind trust is.

[ismnotwasm]

76. I despise him because he's a hypocritical lying pig

Every vote counts I guess.

[still_one]

77. Too little too late. We will win regardless

[Charles Bukowski]

80. Cenk lives in California

so I feel comfortable saying he can take his vote and shove it up his ass.

His pissy vote doesn't begin to undo all the damage he's done.

[Cha]

209. cenk Lies and Distorts the truth.. so who wouldn't hate that?

Exactly, Charles. cenk has done so much damage as a hatemonger who wouldn't know the truth if it were shoved in front of his face.

[elleng]

81. There's a lot of foolish despising happening around here, unfortunately.

Truth no matter what.

Thanks

[October]

89. Truth no matter what?

A lot of what Cenk espouses is OPINION.

There is a world of difference between opinion/beliefs and facts/truth.

[elleng]

92. Quoting the OP:

'Media kisses politicians asses for access. I don't care about media access, I care about facts not what's fed to the media through staffers.

Truth no matter what.'

[JHan]

117. There's a difference between...

Kissing Politicians Assess and actually taking the time to understand a position before criticizing it - else you're sensationalizing someone's argument and that helps no one. To challenge a view in a substantive manner requires being informed, and not just shooting from the hip - which Cenk and his ilk love to do - I'm a millennial and i find him tiresome.

[Squinch]

130. And a lot of what he espouses is bullshit.

[October]

135. No arguments from me there. /nt

[Native]

186. Does he still trip over his words and shoot spittle when he gets worked up?

I stopped watching him eons ago.

[Cha]

210. Exactly, it's bullshite so who wouldn't hate that?

[beachbumbob]

83. Uygur was a partisan supporter of sanders...and you think he wasn't?

He and other so called journalist had their own agenda...even if it meant to destroy who we nominated to take on trump...

[JCanete]

196. everybody is a partisan supporter. Those who actually declare it outwardly

are far more worthy of trust in my opinion, as if those who just have a bias don't let that bias sink into their coverage. Journalism should always come from a declared bent. Anything else is a contrivance of distance. In other words, BS.

[Dopers_Greed]

90. That's surprising

TYT have been running non-stop anti-Clinton coverage for the last few weeks.

I almost expected them to come out for Trump

[Flatpicker]

100. The guy who had been posting

Daily Loser Donald stories?

And you really think they would come out for Trump?

[JI7]

93. Cenk use to be a republcan . he was part of the problem in

GeTting liberal policies through which Clinton supported

[Flatpicker]

94. Good on him

I hope he and his like keep all these politicians aware that we are mindful of their actions.

TYT so far has been reporting stories that we need to hear. They are not stories I want to hear, but they are relevant.

Between Hillary and Trump this should have been an easy decision, even though neither is a 100% perfect candidate, HRC is a lot closer to ideal than Dirty Donnie.

We do need multiple parties though. We are far too diverse for a 2 party system at this point.

This should have never happened: "when she is the only one standing between us and Trump"
Having multiple parties in government would not allow for this type of power play happening.

I'd like to think that common sense would not allow this to happen, you would think the courts and congress would have the ability to check the power of a presidency gone amok. But no. With the partisan mess we have going on, people like Trump can make a tragic difference.

[ToxMarz]

96. I wouldn't label it "Not pro Hillary"

Used to love TYT. I even tried listening for weeks after the primaries and they would not stop, even doubled down on, trashing her. Deleted my podcast subscription that I listened to religiously for years (Jimmy Dore too, I don't find anything funny in anything he says anymore whether or not it is about Hillary.) I'll stop now before I start in on self righteous professional victim Ana Kasparian. Just career ploy 5 days before the election, won't sway the hate and derision they have sowed in their still loyal listener's. Kind of how the polls all magically swing amazingly close to the actual results in the last poll before the election, that's the only one they are remembered for after the election. The rest are just fun and games.

[JHan]

119. If Hillary has to deal with a republican senate..

And has to compromise slightly to get bills passed, look to Cenk and other priceless idiots to trash her for it ..that's how clueless they are.

[Flatpicker]

144. I don't think it's cluelessness

You need the far ends of the spectrum to be able to reach compromise.

It's the extremists that start the ideas that eventually percolate into the mainstream.

At one point in our history, the idea of voting rights for women was an extreme. Now it's a given. Just as an example.

It's a long process and one that will always be ongoing.

Of course I expect extremists to trash her for compromise. Same as the far right trashed their leadership for not going far enough.

[JHan]

161. Good point but...

the key take away here is an understanding of civics. The Civil Rights Movement was a great example where its advocates understood how to effectively challenge the status quo - it wasn't all about marching and civil disobedience. You have to have sound arguments to be heard, arguments that cannot be easily refuted. Eric Liu has a great article about this called "The Grinder and the Gadfly" -

"The Gadfly (Bernie) uses the platform of public office to criticize, to issue jeremiads, to challenge the rest of his colleagues and the country to think outside the narrow frame of status quo possibility. To the Gadfly, the choice is between half-measures and full measures, and half-measures represent failures of nerve and imagination.

The Grinder (HRC), on the other hand, uses the machinery of public office to make progress incrementally, to construct coalitions, to grind out ungainly compromises. To the Grinder, the choice is between half-measures and no measures, and no measures are what you get when you don’t show up and persist in the process every day."

we need both, both need to work *with* each other, not trash each other.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-gadfly-and-the-grinder/463467/

[Flatpicker]

168. I agree completely

And while I think politically, both need to work together, there has always been a vocal discontent between the groups.

They work together, but like an older married couple, complain about each other all the while.
The internet has just made the grumbling more apparent.

[Native]

187. And what has history shown us? Have our most successful leaders been grinders or gadflies?

[Native]

191. Seems logical that grinders are most effective given a ruling structure in which power is shared.

[RAFisher]

101. Did I miss something? I remember him saying this months ago.

I haven't watch consistently for the past few months but he said this back then. He was never a Bernie or buster unlike Jimmy Dore. He wasn't thrilled saying it but he said Trump was so insanely bad that he'd definitely pick Clinton. Did he flirt with the Greens or something?

[Flatpicker]

108. not that I know of

It's just because he wasn't 100% Clinton.

I don't think it's an automatic Trump vote to have reservations about your candidate.

[Charles Bukowski]

160. He went way beyond not being 100% behind Clinton

Referring to Clinton as the "personification of corruption" goes well beyond merely having reservations about her.

Treating the wikileaks nothingburgers like they're definitive proof of Clinton's evil goes well beyond not backing her 100%.

He's not quite as extreme as that idiot Jimmy Dore, but Cenk and the other "liberal Puritans" at TYT have actively tried to dissuade their viewers from backing Clinton. They can go fuck themselves for all I care.

[Flatpicker]

162. That's fine

Jimmy Dore hit my sore spots last week.

I guess, I'm better with extreme left opinion than extreme right. It doesn't take much for RWM to trigger my rage buttons.

[George II]

104. Are we to do cartwheels and send him money? By the way....

...not only is he "not pro Hillary all the time", he's not pro progressive OR pro Democrat either.

[dawg]

105. Yay! I guess we'll carry California now.

Wonder how all his viewers in swing states are voting?

[HassleCat]

106. Interesting comments.

He is a POS because he questions orthodoxy. So, is anyone who wants to cut the ties to big money and special interests also a POS? Is it also true of anyone who suggests we need to push harder on progressive issues? I have some of the same doubts and criticisms about our party and the candidates we offer the voters, so am I a POS?

[Rex]

122. He pushes peoples buttons, of that there is no doubt. Which I think are his intentions.

Just look at this thread.

[demmiblue]

136. Sounds like it.

If you mean a Person Of Substance.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

109. Fuck him

I decided that long ago. I'm not giving him a cookie now.

[fleabiscuit]

113. For me the yelling turds are as much media as the daily horoscope. nt

[nini]

156. This sounds a lot like rehashing of the primaries and oh so subtle passive aggressive digs..

..at Hillary without having to come right out and say it.

[betsuni]

163. Yes, it does.

But this person's now flagged for review, guess not subtle enough...

[Dem2]

174. yes

These threads attract a certain crowd

[NNadir]

159. Really? It took this incredible ass this long? What a surprise!

He's definitely not the brightest bulb on the block, and whenever I've suffered exposure to him, I've kind of wondered why people take him seriously.

[aidbo]

175. I imagine some people around here are going to lose their shit when they have..

..a protest party to get money out of politics on election night.

[upaloopa]

178. He was cozy with Bernie

I'm sorry but it will be a long time before I am over the shit that was said about Hillary in the primary.

[ibegurpard]

182. so are most sane people

[D23MIURG23]

193. Fuck him.

He's Bill O'Reilly with different talking points. He can go piss up a rope.

[JCanete]

198. Stupid level of hatred on this board, and barely an ounce of graciousness.

It seems we don't want to win hearts and minds, just to play an embroiled team sport that never ever fucking ends. We even want to feed that rivalry with disdain and vitriol, dehumanize and make stupid our fellow humans who have taken "too long" to decide who to vote for, not to mention the huge population that still intends to vote for Trump.

I do feel that people who want to vote for Trump know not what they do, but that doesn't make them stupid. Manipulated, maybe, but we're humans, we function according to certain stimuli, and we can all be manipulated. Ignorant on these issues? Probably. But how do you blame an ignorant person for being ignorant? What are the forces that have been at play that make that ignorance persist and even carry down generations? What responsibility do we bear as a society?

Why do I come to DU and read the kind of distasteful shit that I would expect on a right wing board?

[lovemydog]

205. I too am tired of demonizing people.

It just doesn't get us any further ahead. We need to speak with, and about, people as human beings. Not because I agree with their views. To the contrary. I think we all can sharpen up our game because it really is important that we try and help implement good policies by helping set the example of what we'd like to see in others.

Just venting here about Unger is kind of ridiculous. He said he's voting for Clinton. He's well-regarded by many on the left. As you say we can all benefit from being gracious. I can understand some frustration, primarily the one that may have helped depress the vote by being so critical earlier. But many share his views and for them to say they may now vote for her, I say we welcome them and keep encouraging our friends & others to vote, for whatever reasons they may have. In the past few days I've reminded some friends to vote early and they've responded positively.

Thanks for your post. Welcome to DU. You'll find a lot of good people here too. I hope you'll keep expressing your views here & that you find some posters you enjoy reading. More importantly, keep up your integrity. That's a valued quality, and one that I'm sure will help you a lot.

[UCmeNdc]

213. Good!

He understands that Trump is a disaster just like Bush W. was.

[lillypaddle]

216. Gee, that's big of him

all fall down.

[Helen Borg]

217. Here is the link

From one of the few media guys with integrity out there.

[BobbyDrake]

231. No, we despise him because he's a Republican grifting dumb progressives and pushing GOP agendas.

He's a fraud and an asshole, and that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.

[forjusticethunders]

232. Cenk is one of the many examples

of what is wrong with the left. People like Cenk are responsible for the loss of hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of lost votes for the most progressive candidates actually running. Yeah, it's one thing to say the Dems aren't progressive enough or not vocal enough about their beliefs, it's another to throw them under the bus because they can't just liquidate all the capitalists.

[Helen Borg]

236. Wow! He can just order millions of people around like that!

I thought that providing sound arguments was part of the intelligent debate a democracy should engage in. People then decide, after they have reliable evidence.

[BobbyDrake]

247. the problem with your argument is that "Cenk Uygur" and "intelligent debate" are opposites.

The only time they'd end up in a sentence together is if someone asked, "Wouldn't it be nice if Cenk Uygur could participate in an actual intelligent debate for once in his miserable fake-progressive-really-Republican life?"

[Gothmog]

237. Yeah