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By Zack Beauchamp on Dec 7, 2012 at 10:21 am
Fox News has published another sexist op-ed by Suzanne Venker, the author who became infamous for attacking a fictional War on Men. In the follow up piece, Venker argues that women are naturally mens inferiors.
The author believes the crudest of crude gender stereotypes are built into male and female brains, arguing that women like to gather and nest and take care of people while men are hunters: they like to build things and kill things. As a consequence, she maintains a mans place is in the office; his woman should simply surrender to his rule:
Surrendering to your femininity means many things. It means letting your man be the man despite the fact that youve proven youre his equal. It means recognizing the fact that you may very well want to stay home with your babies and that thats normal. Surrendering to your femininity means if you do work outside the home, you dont use your work to play tit for tat in your marriage. It means tapping into that part of yourself thats genuinely vulnerable and really does need a man even though the culture says you dont.
In other words, put down your sword. Its okay if your guys in charge. Its okay if you dont drive the car. In fact, its rather liberating.
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more:
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/07/1299611/fox-news-op-ed-says-womens-nature-is-to-be-dominated-by-men/
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)even as a child, with parents. thankfully i had parents that got that and were able to raise me without that factor.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)Wonder if they know that women were in power before man got all huffy and "put them in their place".
I am a woman - I work - I have a family - I drive - I think for myself - I am woman - hear me roar!!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)have to do it all.
easier to read a book. not fair though
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)She likes driving and I like drinking
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i have always said, what works for each of us is uniquely our own. you two are working as a team. lol
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Of course, the GOP does not believe in the pursuit of knowledge or science, but would have us all acting like this crew here. And we're not far off now, are we?
Cal33
(7,018 posts)think, hope, and pray for. Right-wingers, for their own benefit, just love to keep
people under their control - period. Their behavior shows this all over the place.
It's so obvious to everyone, except themselves
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)More loser moaning and groaning...
niyad
(113,344 posts)a woman-hating, reichwing male would write.
dballance
(5,756 posts)But, of course, I'm a guy and my Adam's apple is not very visible either.
All snark aside, which I do enjoy writing, if I were a woman I'd really be pissed with this person. Actually, as a man I'm pissed with her. We men like to "build things and kill things?" That is the most sexist, absurd thing I've heard lately.
I grew up on a farm. You know what? I hated hunting and I hated slaughter of the animals. No, Ms. Venker, I did not and do not like killing things. Yep I do eat steaks and pork roasts and chicken and turkey. Yep, I realize animals were killed for that food I eat. But I still take no pleasure in killing animals myself. Just I guess I'm like all those frail women you want to protect who don't kill things yet they're happy to cook them. Making the overly broad generalization that "men like to kill things" is insulting.
If you're so concerned about gender roles then why don't you get off TV and find a good man you can cook and clean for and pop out some babies and stay at home where you belong - in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?
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jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Reading that bullshit makes me want to puke... and I'm not even a woman.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)That is what I said to my husband before the election. He should have tied me up? He should have divorced me? BS, and we have been married 38 years. Take that, Faux News! BTW, he doesn't watch you anymore!!!!
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)If she truly believes women should be totally feminine then why does she vote?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If it's not, she should just put on her burka and get it over with. Nobody is in charge of me and a real man wouldn't expect it. A real man wouldn't feel threatened by a woman more successful than he.
niyad
(113,344 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to find that out. Shocked, I tell you.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that sounds like it was out of the 1950s, not 2012. Or, maybe 1912?
Where does it say that a woman that is succesful at work isn't feminine? In fact, I'd go for a complete 180 - a woman that is willing to capitulate and surrender is less likely to find lasting love. And, considering that the more conservative southern states have a higher average divorce rate than the more liberal northeast, facts seem to back me up.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)The 'woman's place' has been altering ever since the Industrial Revolution when some women found employment in factories and offices, and the suffragette movement gave women the vote. WWII caused a major jump when women replaced men on the assembly lines for the planes and tanks.
There was a lot going on behind the scenes in the 'normal' 50s! June Cleaver really was an obsolete stereotype from the beginning. All the various social movements that we associate with the 60s were already in progress. They just surfaced in the late 60s.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)liberating!
I felt like I was reading something out of Ladies Home Journal from the 1950s, reading that snip (I won't waste my time on the whole thing).
I wonder how much she gets paid to write such drivel?
Hekate
(90,714 posts)I mean, really. Some of them, maybe, are that big of drooling idiots. But mostly, I think it is whatever serves to get them eyeballs on the screen and advertising dollars (or Euros, whatever).
Their only reason for existing, as far as I can tell, is to promote the corporatocracy and stupefy as many humans as possible. That's it. They're good at what they do.
The cynicism and hypocrisy over there is bone-deep.
skrempi313
(29 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)They've just captured Phyllis Schaffly and the three members of her bridge club.
Cha
(297,317 posts)of dick morris and rove.
Cha
(297,317 posts)it's a 50-50 proposition.
budkin
(6,703 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Since giving her my permission wouldn't affect her, I figured hubby's permission would be more effective on her weak mind.
BanzaiBonnie
(3,621 posts)when she was on The View this morning. Whoopi and Joy would have gone off on her. She stayed within ceertain parameters and they didn't attack her for her radical, lunatic rantings.
This is the sort of shit that keeps men as inhibited in their relationships as it does women. For me, one of the most wonderful things about being in a relationship with another human being that I trust, is being able to be vulnerable with them. It allows for an unprecendented honesty.
I own the power tools in the family and my husband takes care of the computers. Other than that, we don't lock ourselves into roles proscribed by society. He'll make a meal if we're hungry and I'll change my own tire and love it.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)There they go again.
Lumping an entire gender all into ONE category. Because this author may want to be dominated, etc. she believes that ALL females feel the same way. And if any of those females don't feel the same as her, she believes something is wrong with them.
What in the hell is wrong with simply letting people, regardless of gender, live their lives the way they feel is best as individuals???!!!
Sheesh...I feel like Leave It To Beaver is going to come on the television any minute.
It's OKAY for people to be different.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)seem to like things very black & white. If you start saying everybody is different, it confuses them in their black & white world.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)and keep me barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen!
mythology
(9,527 posts)Or not walk into an oncoming bus?
Tabasco_Dave
(1,259 posts)she would kick me in the balls.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)When the statistics reflect that divorced women don't end up almost all the time with all the child care
and the expenses as well, when divorce with children stops dropping women into poverty
while simultaneously increasing the standard of living of the men, then I might stop
saying that. Right now, though, as Clinton said, It's just math...statistics.
So ladies, CYA, just common sense.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)and go home to wait on and service her man.
I'm sick of anti-feminist women who go out and get careers and jobs while preaching that other women should stay home.
Springslips
(533 posts)You know how hard that would be? It would take waaaaay too much energy, time, stress, wear and tear. I'd rather spend that time and energy doing other hobbies and let her do what she wants.
Fox News makes me sick: and they say there is no war on women. Ha.