Just thought I should remind all that

[boston bean]

Hillary had a whole plan for jobs across the USA including little rural areas by investing in clean energy.

But we got a preznit who doesn't feel it necessary because climate change is a hoax per him.

Stop trying to tell me Hillary didn't address issues when people who voted for a racist voted for a man with no plan to bring back or create one job. Really he had and presented NO plan.

History cannot be rewritten like this. Be aware of the false memes.

[NCTraveler]

1. Those promoting the meme are liars and stand in opposition to progressives.

It's beyond dishonest.

I say that as someone who believes a serious conversation on how we as a party are going to compete with our economic message when going up against a party that doesn't care one bit about truth in messaging. The conversation needs to be had. The full of shit liberal isolationists and ratfuckers need not be a part of the conversation.

[world wide wally]

2. This

[SidDithers]

17. Yes...

Sid

[VOX]

20. Absolutely. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

31. Yup.

[ehrnst]

3. Amazing the gullibility of so many on both left and right

And the confirmation bias has been breathtaking here on DU.

[uponit7771]

4. Not only that but in some of the states he "won" the UE rate is 4.1% how in the hell is he going to

... improve on this?!

[guillaumeb]

5. I have read many stories in the media that talk about Trump's many promises,

and in the stories Trump voters explain that they did not REALLY expect Trump to fulfill these promises, but they voted for him because he was an outsider. As if a millionaire businessman could really be an outsider!

[Hoyt]

6. As someone said here the other day, his plan might be to reinstate the Draft.

[dhol82]

15. Hot damn! Wish he would.

That would certainly rile the masses.

[Sunny05]

41. Well, please remember that a draft would affect

young people who are old enough to vote but did not vote for him + young people who were not even old enough to vote (and who would not have voted for him and/or whose parents did not vote for him). That second group includes my son (who no-way-in-hell would have voted for trump).

[dhol82]

48. A draft was the only thing that got most people riled up

I see a draft as getting a major part of this country finally engaged enough to take notice of what is really happening.

[jg10003]

7. Of course Hillary had much more specific then Trump.

Trump just had slogans and ridiculous ideas about walls and deporting 11 million people. But demagogic rhetoric is powerful. Hillary failed to convince people that she had the answers and that Trump offered nothing but noise.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. apparently he wasn't limited by having to actually put forth anything resembling a credible idea.

All he did was tell people "I alone can fix it". "It's gonna be amazing". "We're gonna bring those jobs back".

Unfortunately that sounded good to a lot of people, I think.

I don't think it was the content of HRC's campaign that was the problem, I think the errors were more strategic. And enabled by a press more interested in shiny objects than facts. JMO.

[tarheelsunc]

9. Trump supporters didn't vote for him because he promised to make their lives better.

They voted for him because he promised to make other people's lives worse. It's pretty disgusting actually.

[dhol82]

16. Good point.

[Hoyt]

23. So true and why ignorant white wing racists came out of closet for Trump.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Joke's on them....he's going to make everyone's lives worse including their own.

I won't feel sorry for them when that happens.

[Dustlawyer]

39. Yea, but he will blame it on us liberals again.

TPTB have always been successful at deflecting blame on others and our media is owned by TPTB!

[geek tragedy]

10. she had a lot of ideas in that regard, but very few people knew about them.

in hindsight, probably should have lead with that rather than with ads attacking Trump as unfit.

But, going forward we should take such ideas and put them at the front of our message to voters, and connect it to our values of not leaving anyone behind, no matter where they live.

Politics is poetry, governing is prose.

[boston bean]

12. You miss the point he didn't have a plan.

[geek tragedy]

13. he had a message, which is what counts in political campaigns. nt

[boston bean]

14. Oh. And Hillary didn't?

[geek tragedy]

18. she did, but (again in hindsight) it was perhaps not effective

She very reasonably thought that if 60% thought she was qualified and fit, but only 38% thought that about Trump, that no way she could lose.
.

[boston bean]

25. oh goodness, geek... she won the popular vote. It will be by 2.5M when all is said and done.

You are looking at voters who would have NEVER voter for her for any reason and who were more likely irregular voters who came out for Trump due to racist motives. That was where his messaging was targeted.

You are looking at this all wrong.

[GP6971]

21. Does he even have a plan

for anything? Not that I've seen.

[Lucinda]

11. eleventy billion

[Kablooie]

19. But she didn't sell this plan effectively.

I've never heard of it before.
It doesn't matter if she had a plan if people didn't know about it.
Marketing is everything.
She should have pushed this in a major way.

[RonniePudding]

44. Strategically her campaign's "soul" was rooted in disqualifying her opponent

Rather than espousing her own policies. I get it. When you're running a campaign against a guy like that it has to be mighty tempting to make the campaign about the opponent. We can debate whether or not that was a tactical error or not.

[Kablooie]

49. Very early on I wrote that I hoped she would make the campaign about what she will do.

Not about how horrible Trump is.

I felt just tearing down Trump was playing on his turf .
If she concentrated on the issues and challenged Trump as to what he would do she would be playing her game.

Unfortunately she fell into Trump's trap and played the game the way he wanted.

[Ace Rothstein]

46. She didn't even bring them up in the debates.

She actually referred to her website a few times during said debates. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

[rurallib]

22. Hillary had great programs and sold them effectively. The media wouldn't

carry a story about her unless it was negative or talked about emails.
She was the proverbial tree in the forest that fell and because the media refused to cover anything but emails, no one heard her.

Progressives have to buy some media folks - radio stations and TV stations and get on cable.
MSNBC is not progressive. Comcast can pull the plkug on the little evening group any time.

All we got that I know of is Freespeech TV on the TV side and on the radio side KTNF in Minneapolis and WCPT in Chicago.

[RonniePudding]

45. The bulk of her TV/internet and radio messaging focused on disqualifying Trump

Not advocating for her own policies. Whether we like it or not, that's all a lot of voters see in these campaigns.

As far as "earned media" goes you are correct. It was always exclusively about the emails with the "liberal" media.

[Wounded Bear]

24. America desperately needs a progressive policy wonk to operate the reins of the gov't....

Instead, Duck Dynasty elected The Apprentice. Welcome to Reality TV world.

[Martin Eden]

40. And leaders who can turn that into a genuine populist movement ...

... to defeat fascism.

[duffyduff]

26. Wish I could recommend this post a million times.

I am very sick of what amounts to mansplaining what a FEMALE candidate for president should have done.

The blame rests solely on the media for creating Trump in the first place.

[ReRe]

27. Totally agree...

... I'm getting sick and tired of hearing that meme too. She addressed all the issues! She DID care about all those in the hinterland. This sick eff cares about no one but himself. What will they do when they finally get it through their heads that he lied to them for their vote?

No sense can be made out of this General Election, so I wish they would just stop it once and for all. The media is what fucked this country. They didn't HAVE to go along with it all. There's just nothing around anymore that resembles a effing spine, is there?

No conviction. No one to stand up and speak the truth loud and clear and long.

[Sunny05]

28. Absolutely.

She sure did talk of plans that directly connected job creation and cleaner energy.

She also talked of the need to help people get two-year degrees -- ie, based on plans to encourage institutions to develop more two-year programs and to help pay for people to pursue them. And of course she was for four-year programs and other initiatives.

Thanks, boston bean.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

29. Sadly, little rural areas hate clean energy.

It's so elitist.

[DemonGoddess]

32. K&R!

Thank you!

[BlueMTexpat]

33. This ...

Stop trying to tell me Hillary didn't address issues when people who voted for a racist voted for a man with no plan to bring back or create one job. Really he had and presented NO plan.

I am so tired of the revisionist history and have no patience whatsoever with any of those who propound it.

If I wanted to, I could mention some facts that might bother some of those revisionists. But I am trying to aim high.

[ehrnst]

34. His supporters didn't care for issues - they wanted Macho. They didn't care about Wall Street

or the TPP, or the minimum wage.

[whathehell]

36. Yup.....n/t

[aikoaiko]

35. She had a plan alright.

But as she said one campaigns in poetry and governs in prose. A plan is more prose than poetry.

[nolabels]

37. When you have a rat in the house no amount of air freshener will cure the ill

The avoidance game and not addressing the subject of wealth, money management and the role it's playing in our ALL of politics big or small is what is not going away. It gets danced around so badly because those put in place that could do something about it all have their hand in the cookie jar. We were so lucky to have a person like Bernie to show up and demonstrate how things could get done in spite of it. The other thing is that thing about honesty. No matter if that other person calling you out is congenital liar or not, if there is the trappings of a hypocrite than such a claim with stick no matter. The last two losses of Democratic ticket for Potus had that element. Just my two cents

[jimlup]

38. I don't disagree BUT

she didn't explain to the working class in the rust belt why her plan was better than the Trump coming disaster. He said whatever they wanted to hear and they believed him because, well, to put it nicely, they aren't that bright.

Hillary needed to defend her position by carefully explaining why her plan helped them and was relevant. Apparently she failed in this endeavor. Blame who you like, but the election did not turn out well for us and unless we really understand why we are doomed to irrelevance. It would be find to rest on our propaganda memes but it won't work out in the long run.

It would be a good time for honest evaluation of our position and how we presented. Let's avoid the propaganda wishful thinking.

[mcar]

42. The rewriters are all over the place

She should have talked policy, she had no jobs plan, she should have picked another for VP, she should have, she should have, she should have.

She ran an excellent campaign against Drumpf, the media, the Republicans in Congress and the FBI. And she is winning the popular vote by a huge margin.

[dubyadiprecession]

43. That's o.k., when some of these folks in the rustbelt don't see any jobs from Trump....

They can also be welcome with the news that their loved one (who had a preexisting condition) is sick and just got dropped from their insurance.

I say this because Trump will repeal obamacare and he definitely won't replace it. Trump is trying to keep the people calm so he can transition into office first, when he gets his bearings he won't be so humble.

The Pentagon, corporations, and the wealthy will gain from the trump presidency.

[Mike Nelson]

47. Yes and...

...the media wanted to cover her speaking about Trump. When she went on message, they turned the cameras off and waited for the next racist remark by Trump.

...still, Hillary's message won the most votes.