2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders: You're No One to Talk on Identity Politics
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apparently, Bernie has said that one of Hillary's campaign's big flaws was overuse of identity politics. While I agree in part, let's not forget that Bernie was the one who put Cornel West, Mr. Identity Politics himself, Capt. Critical Race theory, a man who didn't even endorse/vote for Hillary, on the DNC platform committee. Or Jim Zogby, another Sanders DNC appointee, who is an activist for Arab/Muslim identity politics, which Bernie courted and did so hard.
Bernie was the one who attacked her gay rights cred over Bill Clinton accepting the 1990's reality regarding DOMA, as well as cred with the African-American community over criminal justice reform. Bernie never gave the Clintons credit for getting issues like "tough on crime" or "welfare" out of our politics for 20 years.
So Bernie, stop embarassing yourself and your party already. OOPs, forgot, you didn't even join the Democratic party. But your fan Tulsi Gabbard seems to be very happy your primary opponent lost the general election, now that she could be in the Trump Administration.
Additionally Bernie, Hillary might not have gotten so into identity politics had it not been for your run. She did it to "prove" how progressive she was, where otherwise she could've been more moderate and beaten Trump.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Employing sexist rhetoric is identity politics. Guess he really thinks it's what worked for Trump.
athena
(4,187 posts)Why is it that appealing to white men at the exclusion of everyone else is not considered "identity politics", but advocating for tolerance, kindness, and unity is? Why is it that when a woman runs, she's really saying, "Vote for me because I'm a woman", but when a man runs, he's not saying, "Vote for me because I'm a man"?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)so that makes it completely OK to focus like a laser on their complaints.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)I've had 3 post removed recently for just criticizing hillary. This place has become such and echo chamber and big bubble that is not very welcoming to the democratic wing of the democratic party.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)that's why.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)I'm still sore over West but I'm not going to put words in his mouth either.
go back and read what Sanders said in his speech to the 1000 students, not what the click bate stories said he said,
Se didn't say ditch Identity politics or that going after the disaffected wasn't the thing to do
He said something along the lines of don't advance people who are going to give the same thing the republicans are going to give us.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/22/1602890/-Bernie-Sanders-identity-politics-economic-populism-and-the-Democratic-Party
In other words, one of the struggles that youre going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics. I think its a step forward in America if you have an African-American head or CEO of some major corporation. But do you know what? If that guy is going to be shipping jobs out of this country and exploiting his workers, doesnt mean a whole hell of a lot if hes black or white or Latino.
The article was straight up click bate relative to what Sanders said
Paladin
(28,264 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Days before the election, a group calling itself Women for Sanders took out an ad in the Burlington alt-weekly Vermont Vanguard asking voters whether they would choose "substance or image." Sanders' record, the ad said, "is one of commitment, support, and substantive accomplishmentnot just rhetoric and symbolism." The message was clear: Don't vote for the woman just because she's the woman.
"He'll grab an issue and because he's so determined and passionate about it, it makes it seem like he cares more than Hillary," Kunin says. "He can say things with a forcefulness that most women can't. If a woman shouted all the time with her answers like Bernie does, she'd be booed off the stage. So women still have to behave well, where men don't have to."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-madeleine-kunin-feminism
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)That's a clear pattern emerging here. That's from 1986!
He's an empty suit with a lot of words, and just as much a part of the establishment as he rails at others for being. But, like Trump, he's skilled at projecting his own weaknesses onto his opponents.
kcr
(15,317 posts)You would have thought he would have learned from that.
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710