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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:57 AM Nov 2016

Unprocessed ballots in CA exceed total votes in 35 states. Projected margin Clinton 2.5 million

Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:09 AM - Edit history (1)

These numbers point to how antiquated the electoral college is and the degree to which it rigs presidential elections to favor rural, conservative states.
These states combined have 2.5 million votes: WY, AK, DC, VT, ND, SD, HI, and DE
To match the total CA vote, add: RI, MT, ID, WV, ME, NH, NM, NE, UT, NV, AR, KS, and MS.

Final result will be Clinton wins popular vote by over 2.5 million if the same California percentages prevail as the current count.[center]

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source below: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/21/california-has-howmany-ballots-left-to-count/

Will Jordan @williamjordann
Per California Secretary of State, currently more unprocessed ballots there (2.8 million) than the TOTAL cast for President in 35 states.
4:42 PM - 20 Nov 2016


The Washington Post’s Philip Bump picked up on the news this afternoon:

Unsurprisingly, California is already recording more votes cast than any other state, according to U.S. Election Atlas. But the 2.8 million ballots left to count are more than were cast in Wyoming, Alaska, D.C., Vermont, the Dakotas, Hawaii and Delaware combined. Not all will be valid ballots, but most should be, further extending Hillary Clinton’s 1.7 million-vote lead in the national popular vote.


David Wasserman’s Cook Report spreadsheet shows Hillary Clinton ahead in the popular vote by just over 1.7 million votes.

U.S. Total
Clinton =63,757,077
Trump = 62,004,178
Other= 7,087,495

California
Clinton = 7,525,548 61.7%
Trump = 3,984,597 32.7%
Other = 687,795 5.6%

Projected:
2.8 million * 0.617 = 1,727,600
2.8 million * 0.327 = 915,600

Hillary's margin grows by 812,000 to
Clinton 65,484,677
Trump 62,919,778
Difference: 2,564,866


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Unprocessed ballots in CA exceed total votes in 35 states. Projected margin Clinton 2.5 million (Original Post) Coyotl Nov 2016 OP
Will the 25% of Americans who "won" want to change anything? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #1
this just goes from bad to worse. I wonder if Constitution Crisis Don wordpix Nov 2016 #2
If he's impeached SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #3
Is The Electoral College System For Choosing Our President Unconstitutional? Coyotl Nov 2016 #4
Trumps projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clinton's votes in 12 states: Coyotl Nov 2016 #5
Clinton's Popular Vote Lead Widens Coyotl Nov 2016 #6

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
1. Will the 25% of Americans who "won" want to change anything?
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:07 AM
Nov 2016

Of course not.

Will the 70% of Americans who align with Democratic principles do anything about it?

Of course not.

Did you see "Dancing With the Stars" and "The Voice" this week?

Of course!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
2. this just goes from bad to worse. I wonder if Constitution Crisis Don
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:49 AM
Nov 2016

will be impeached for any number of his crimes but then there will be another issue: Pence or Hillary

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
3. If he's impeached
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:59 AM
Nov 2016

and I'm guessing he will be, and subsequently removed from office, there will be no issue - it will be Pence. Hillary wouldn't even come into the equation.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. Is The Electoral College System For Choosing Our President Unconstitutional?
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 02:33 PM
Nov 2016

Is The Electoral College System For Choosing Our President Unconstitutional?
11/18/2016 - Leon Friedman Law Professor, Hofstra Law School

The electoral college system for choosing the President was based upon the protection of slavery and a distrust of democracy. That system has allowed the loser of the popular vote to win the Presidency in five of our 56 Presidential elections. Such a system would be illegal in any state or local election. But it is contained in the Constitution. Can a section of the Constitution itself be unconstitutional? The answer is yes.

We are all aware by now that we do not vote directly for a candidate in a Presidential election. We vote for electors who will (presumably) vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in the state, when the college meets after the election. Under Article II, Sect. 2 of the Constitution (later modified by the Twelfth Amendment), the number of electors is determined by combining the number of members of the House of Representatives in each state and its two Senators.

But the number of representatives was established in the Constitution by adding to the regular population, “three fifths of all other Persons.” The “other Persons” of course were the slaves. So the Southern states were able to add to their free population (totaling 1,925,677 in 1790) an additional 654,121 slaves (392,472 of whom were counted under the three/fifths rule). That system entitled those States to obtain fourteen more representatives than they would have obtained if the apportionment of representatives was based only on the free population. In 1793, for example, Southern slave states had 47 of the 105 House members, but they would have had only 33, had seats been assigned based only on free populations.

That discrepancy carried over to the electoral college. Southern states also received extra electoral votes because it had additional members of Congress under the three/fifths system. Indeed, as Garry Wills tells us in his book “Jefferson, the Negro President,” Adams would have won the 1800 election over Jefferson but for the three/fifths rule.

Not only was the electoral college system based on slavery, it was also based upon a distrust of democracy. ............


Trump’s projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clinton’s votes in 12 states: WY, ND, AL, SD, MT, VT, WV, ID, DE, RI, HI, and NE.

In 30 states, there are fewer votes cast than Trump’s projected deficit of 2.5 million.

In seven states Trump won, the seven state total Trump vote is less than 2.5 million.
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
5. Trumps projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clinton's votes in 12 states:
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:30 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:04 AM - Edit history (2)

Trump’s projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clinton’s votes in 12 states:
WY, ND, AL, SD, MT, VT, WV, ID, DE, RI, HI, and NE.

In 30 states, there are fewer votes cast than Trump’s projected deficit of 2.5 million.

In seven states Trump won, the seven state total Trump vote is less than 2.5 million.

WHEN WILL THIS SINK IN FOR EVERYONE?



 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
6. Clinton's Popular Vote Lead Widens
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:08 AM
Nov 2016
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/22/1602781/-Clinton-s-Popular-Vote-Lead-Widens-and-NC-s-Elections-Board-Lawyers-Up-After-Bombshell-Revelation

Hillary Clinton’s popular vote lead over Donald Trump expanded yesterday with several states reporting new totals as they continued to count absentee, mail-in, and provisional ballots.

The exact number of ballots that are still uncounted is unknown because some states don’t release that information to the public.

California has the most transparent count, by far, of any state, and it posts details about its count with frequent updates several times daily. It still has two million ballots to count. Out of its 58 counties, Alameda, Colusa, Del Norte, Glenn, Inyo, Lassen, Sierra, and Siskiyou are the only ones reporting 100% completion. ....................


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