2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUnprocessed ballots in CA exceed total votes in 35 states. Projected margin Clinton 2.5 million
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These numbers point to how antiquated the electoral college is and the degree to which it rigs presidential elections to favor rural, conservative states.
These states combined have 2.5 million votes: WY, AK, DC, VT, ND, SD, HI, and DE
To match the total CA vote, add: RI, MT, ID, WV, ME, NH, NM, NE, UT, NV, AR, KS, and MS.
Final result will be Clinton wins popular vote by over 2.5 million if the same California percentages prevail as the current count.[center]
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source below: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/21/california-has-howmany-ballots-left-to-count/
Per California Secretary of State, currently more unprocessed ballots there (2.8 million) than the TOTAL cast for President in 35 states.
4:42 PM - 20 Nov 2016
Unsurprisingly, California is already recording more votes cast than any other state, according to U.S. Election Atlas. But the 2.8 million ballots left to count are more than were cast in Wyoming, Alaska, D.C., Vermont, the Dakotas, Hawaii and Delaware combined. Not all will be valid ballots, but most should be, further extending Hillary Clintons 1.7 million-vote lead in the national popular vote.
U.S. Total
Clinton =63,757,077
Trump = 62,004,178
Other= 7,087,495
California
Clinton = 7,525,548 61.7%
Trump = 3,984,597 32.7%
Other = 687,795 5.6%
Projected:
2.8 million * 0.617 = 1,727,600
2.8 million * 0.327 = 915,600
Hillary's margin grows by 812,000 to
Clinton 65,484,677
Trump 62,919,778
Difference: 2,564,866
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Of course not.
Will the 70% of Americans who align with Democratic principles do anything about it?
Of course not.
Did you see "Dancing With the Stars" and "The Voice" this week?
Of course!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)will be impeached for any number of his crimes but then there will be another issue: Pence or Hillary
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)and I'm guessing he will be, and subsequently removed from office, there will be no issue - it will be Pence. Hillary wouldn't even come into the equation.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Is The Electoral College System For Choosing Our President Unconstitutional?
11/18/2016 - Leon Friedman Law Professor, Hofstra Law School
The electoral college system for choosing the President was based upon the protection of slavery and a distrust of democracy. That system has allowed the loser of the popular vote to win the Presidency in five of our 56 Presidential elections. Such a system would be illegal in any state or local election. But it is contained in the Constitution. Can a section of the Constitution itself be unconstitutional? The answer is yes.
We are all aware by now that we do not vote directly for a candidate in a Presidential election. We vote for electors who will (presumably) vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in the state, when the college meets after the election. Under Article II, Sect. 2 of the Constitution (later modified by the Twelfth Amendment), the number of electors is determined by combining the number of members of the House of Representatives in each state and its two Senators.
But the number of representatives was established in the Constitution by adding to the regular population, three fifths of all other Persons. The other Persons of course were the slaves. So the Southern states were able to add to their free population (totaling 1,925,677 in 1790) an additional 654,121 slaves (392,472 of whom were counted under the three/fifths rule). That system entitled those States to obtain fourteen more representatives than they would have obtained if the apportionment of representatives was based only on the free population. In 1793, for example, Southern slave states had 47 of the 105 House members, but they would have had only 33, had seats been assigned based only on free populations.
That discrepancy carried over to the electoral college. Southern states also received extra electoral votes because it had additional members of Congress under the three/fifths system. Indeed, as Garry Wills tells us in his book Jefferson, the Negro President, Adams would have won the 1800 election over Jefferson but for the three/fifths rule.
Not only was the electoral college system based on slavery, it was also based upon a distrust of democracy. ............
Trumps projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clintons votes in 12 states: WY, ND, AL, SD, MT, VT, WV, ID, DE, RI, HI, and NE.
In 30 states, there are fewer votes cast than Trumps projected deficit of 2.5 million.
In seven states Trump won, the seven state total Trump vote is less than 2.5 million.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:04 AM - Edit history (2)
Trumps projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clintons votes in 12 states:
WY, ND, AL, SD, MT, VT, WV, ID, DE, RI, HI, and NE.
In 30 states, there are fewer votes cast than Trumps projected deficit of 2.5 million.
In seven states Trump won, the seven state total Trump vote is less than 2.5 million.
WHEN WILL THIS SINK IN FOR EVERYONE?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Hillary Clintons popular vote lead over Donald Trump expanded yesterday with several states reporting new totals as they continued to count absentee, mail-in, and provisional ballots.
The exact number of ballots that are still uncounted is unknown because some states dont release that information to the public.
California has the most transparent count, by far, of any state, and it posts details about its count with frequent updates several times daily. It still has two million ballots to count. Out of its 58 counties, Alameda, Colusa, Del Norte, Glenn, Inyo, Lassen, Sierra, and Siskiyou are the only ones reporting 100% completion. ....................