IF Hillary and Gore picked better running mates we would have had a clean sweep!!!

[Omaha Steve]

Senator Lieberman’s Remarks at the Republican Convention: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080902_LIEBERMAN_SPEEC.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/08/news/gores-choice-for-his-running-matemoderate-senator-who-scorned-clinton.html

Gore's Choice for His Running Mate:Moderate Senator Who Scorned Clinton : Selecting Lieberman Is Seen as Bold Move; Religion May Be Issue

By BRIAN KNOWLTON and INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE AUG. 8, 2000

WASHINGTON— In a bold if not risk-free political stroke, Vice President Al Gore has selected Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut as his running mate, making him the first Jewish candidate on a major-party presidential ticket.

"Miracles happen," a clearly delighted Mr. Lieberman told reporters Monday outside his home in New Haven, Connecticut. "I consider this a miracle for which I'm grateful." He was to join Mr. Gore in Nashville for a formal announcement Tuesday.

Mr. Lieberman, 58, is a widely respected member of the Senate, a man of strong positions but open to bipartisan solutions. He drew national attention two years ago when he took to the Senate floor to denounce President Bill Clinton's behavior in the Monica Lewinsky matter.

He had been seeking a third senatorial term — he won six years ago with 67 percent of the vote — and his name will remain on the Connecticut ballot for both offices.

FULL story at link.

[metroins]

1. Disagree

The top of the ticket determines the outcome.

Nobody voted for Mike Pence or Dick Cheney.

I see the irony though.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

2. Exactly n/t

[progressoid]

9. Not necessarily.

Adding Pence to the ticket made Trump palatable for a lot of the GOP that were initially repulsed by Trump.

[exboyfil]

15. The default for many was that Mike Pence

was probably going to be President within the four years anyway. Trump will resign or be impeached.

[lunamagica]

3. I think Tim kane is a wonderful man...Having said that, I still believe Xavier Becerra

would have been a better pick.

[NewJeffCT]

26. I agree. By all accounts, Kaine is a great guy

but, somebody like Becerra would have driven up Latino turnout beyond where it already was and at least some of the surprising number that voted Trump (29%!!) maybe vote Clinton instead. Even swinging a fraction from Trump to Clinton could have swung Florida and a Michigan, PA or Wisconsin to Clinton.

[libtodeath]

4. I would have liked to see Sen Warren but Kaine was a good choice.

[MFM008]

5. Agree with OP

Kaine almost. Made no difference in Virginia.
Made little difference with latinos.
But not his fault.

[StevieM]

24. The exit polls got Latinos wrong.

Hillary won by a much wider margin than they showed her winning by. There was another poll that showed she won 79-18. Also, precinct by precinct data indicates a much better performance.

[Nevernose]

6. Maybe

"They" probably should have picked someone more liberal and more charismatic, someone who both excited the base and could bring out the votes. In retrospect, someone from Michigan or Pennsylvania certainly couldn't have hurt.

We'll never know. I wonder who we could run that has an actual shot at taking back some Senate seats in 2018?

[moonscape]

17. We'll be defending so many - 25 vs 8 - that

it's really frightening.

[Nevernose]

18. It is frightening

At least right now we've got the filibuster.

Hopefully, after two years of a Republican government and the Trimp administration ALREADY going back on so many campaign promises, we can be on the offensive, even in the red states.

I tell myself this in hopes of avoiding the crippling fear and depression

[moonscape]

20. Agree. 2018 will be about protecting filibuster at least.

As for Red State offensive, how to penetrate with current media problem? It feels as though we need to fan out and actually sit in living rooms, and then one is still dealing with emotionally closed minds, not facts.

[msongs]

7. too bad all those union members voted for trump, who reflects their true values n

[Omaha Steve]

8. Kaine said Hillary would PASS TTP while Trump said KILL IT! (it is dead now)

Get the point?

[ismnotwasm]

10. No, we wouldn't

The loss was, as had been noted again and again, was Multifactorial.

[mcar]

11. What does this have to do with Tim Kaine?

There is no comparison between Kaine and Lieberman, none at all.

[Omaha Steve]

12. TPP and the midwest

[ucrdem]

16. Welp, now it's dead.

Not blaming you Steve, but TPP became a political football in this election and that's a shame.

[NCTraveler]

13. Tim Kaine was an excellent and well thought out choice.

Never has a running mate mattered as little as in this election. Clinton and Trump were the tickets. They are both brands and bigger than life.

This garbage is intellectually dishonest and an attempt to sow discord among democrats. Absolutely nothing more.

[AgadorSparticus]

21. Totally agree!

[Vinca]

14. I disagree. It's the top of the ticket that matters more than anything.

This was the year of the outsider and that's why the Trumpenfuhrer won.

[johnp3907]

19. Your 3 exclamation points fail to persuade me.

Try 5 next time.

[Starry Messenger]

22. Totally ridiculous.

Equating Joe with Tim Kaine is intellectually bankrupt to boot.

[Omaha Steve]

25. Two candidates that didn't help the ticket is the point

[RonniePudding]

23. Kaine is a nice enough man but a zero politically

I don't know if adding Bernie to the ticket (or if Al Gore selected someone else) would have made a difference. Hindsight is 20/20 and since the OP has been an extremely harsh critic of Clinton going back to the primaries it's worth viewing this OP through the proper lens.

[Duckhunter935]

27. Disagree