Don't Kid Yourself: The KGB Cost Us This Election and Pretending it's Bathrooms is ridiculous

[LaydeeBug]

I live in a super red area of a dark blue state.

These guys thought that HRC was going to take their *guns*. They thought HRC was going to give their *jobs* to the Mexicans.

They. could. not. give. a. shit. less. about. the. bathrooms.

I finally blew up at one of them, because the truth is, these people act like an active coke head when they are at the end of their blow: they're out of money, they're out of stash, and SOMEBODY has to pay for that. My brother made himself a very rich man exploiting the priorities of the white working class. I explained that if you drive to home Depot on a Sunday night, you don't see any "Mexicans" (sic) there. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEMAND.

I have an uncle who is one of the largest home framing businesses in my tri-state area. There are times he rents out entire hotels to accommodate all of his workers. I pointedly asked him once why he has so many undocumented workers, and he told me he would love to hire Americans, but as soon as they get one or two paychecks, they just stop showing up.

I told him straight up, the guy I blew up at, that nobody *took* his job. He *gave* it away when he decided that partying is more important than showing up. In short, we don't have a "Mexican" (sic) problem. We have an opiate problem. We have a God-damned drug problem.

Add to that the fact that the KGB is not even hiding that they were in daily contact with the Trump campaign, and I am sick to fucking death of people blaming the victim.

Don't get me started on voter suppression.

Just know that when Trump said he wouldn't trust the results of the election, it is because they had something up their sleeve.

Stop. letting. them. frame. the. fucking. narrative.

[triron]

1. I like your fire!

Go girl!

[LaydeeBug]

5. Thank you! Welcome to DU nt

[ShakeWell]

19. As I read through your post....something came to mind.

I lurked here for years, decided to start posting/supporting because truth bombs like you just dropped keep me going. tyvm.

[LaydeeBug]

39. OMG, I wasn't going to ever come back again, but did, and now

it was completely worth it.

I am *still* not watching the news though. lol

[Maru Kitteh]

40. I'm so glad you came back. Glad you're here.

We need more posts like this. Thank you.

[LaydeeBug]

61. we need more posters like you, so thank YOU

and we needed this reminder...

[Ilsa]

2. Hubby overheard coworker tell another coworker

that Hillary would take away his guns, so he voted for trump. He didn't care if trump was Lucifer in the flesh, it was about the guns. Nevermind that Obama never took away anyone's guns.

[Hoyt]

9. If Obama gave every white winger a gun, they wouldn't vote for him. Probably same for woman.

They are ignorant bigots.

[Ilsa]

11. Yeah. It's probably just an excuse.nt

[Maraya1969]

12. Same with fundamentalist Christians. They will vote for the biggest snake as long as he says this:

"I am pro-life" and "I will end abortion"

Never mind that they want to send little children back to Syria and Somalia to die. They don't give a shit about them.

Being anti-abortion is easy. You don't have to get your hands dirty. You don't have to do much except talk about it and maybe protest and vote for dirt bags who tell you what you want to hear.

There are so many things that I wish were said before this stupid vote.

[LaydeeBug]

43. And they think women are having abortions the day before they give birth...

This doesn't *happen*. Doctors will tell you this. But a low-information voter will insist they know someone who works at an ob/gyn and they had to strangle a baby with the umbilical chord because the mother "didn't feel like having a kid". <<<----- It's horseshit, but they will believe it, as long as they can cling to spite.

[Bettie]

21. I've heard that from people too

They look gobsmacked when I point out to them that if they still have their guns after a guy murdered a bunch of first graders, they are never going to be taken away.

[Squinch]

3. Kick. Exactly!

[RKP5637]

4. Exactly!!! n/t

[we can do it]

6. Thank you!

[LaydeeBug]

7. No...thank *you*. nt

[we can do it]

10. Glad you're here!

[LaydeeBug]

17. I am glad to be here, and glad you're here with me.

We all need each other.

[yardwork]

8. Thank you. Thank you.

[DK504]

13. GOP hypocrites

WE have a greedy cheap ass hypocritical republicans that lie to themselves about the Americans that won't show up after paychecks. If these people are so lame at job interviews how the F did they become so successful?

[LaydeeBug]

14. end each and every sentence with, "and if the media were liberal, you'd know that"

and that's how they became successful. By saying the right leaning media of 20 years ago is liberal. By doing this, it allows them to move everything further to the right.

I can "red talk" **ANY** subject. Just wrap it in patriotism and blame big government or the liberal media.

[bhikkhu]

15. I'd agree and second that - the russians had the skills and everything to gain

and the most sickening thing after the election was hearing newsbodies befuddled and speculating on how the country really was much angrier than everybody thought, and maybe people really didn't care about women's rights, equality, and so forth...

I have to admit, after a trump "victory" I'm much easier to sway with conspiracy theories, but "who gains" is a fair question - and its not us. America is weakened in every way, and the primary beneficiary is Russia, who had the means to pull it off. Without an election audit, at the very least, the whole thing reeks of an externally organized coup.

[Hekate]

29. The US was the THIRD election Russia interfered with, to their lasting benefit.

Syria, the Ukraine, the US. I actually heard it was 4 nations, but I can't find the cite for that.

Anyway, thanks, Benedict Donald! We are definitely in the midst of a cyber war and all you and your spawn can see is $$$$$$$$

[bettyellen]

57. I'd heard Brexit and now they are spending money in France and getting Wiki to do

Some dirty work against Merkel in the GDR.

[DFW]

58. They had better hurry up

The GDR ceased to exist on October 3, 1990.

[LaydeeBug]

59. lol. Technically, the KGB doesn't exist either

but we know damn right well that they are in the FBI and the GOP right now

[bettyellen]

16. It's just like the primaries- the Sanders or death people joining the GOP to blame Hillary

[Exilednight]

18. There is no kGB. It became defunct in 1991.

What cost us this election was lack of voter excitement.

The Obama coalition, which we were told is going to come out, decided to stay home.

[triron]

20. OK the Russian state equivalent.

[TygrBright]

22. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! SURE it did! heeheehee.... ::snigger:: n/t

[LaydeeBug]

23. pay no attention to Boris and Vladmir behind the curtain. smh nt

[spooky3]

24. 3% more voters in 2016 than in 2012 and counting

There are still potentially millions of uncounted votes.

Cookpolitical.com

And that's with increased voter suppression in 2016.

[Exilednight]

27. Which candidate got that 3%?

[spooky3]

28. Go to the site and do your own research.

[Exilednight]

31. I did. I just want to see if you're going to be intellectually honest.

[Hekate]

26. I want some of what you're drinking, tovarisch. Looked into Putin's cold dark soul, lately? ....

Seen Hillary's mounting lead?

[LaydeeBug]

37. Trump was ALL OVER Putin's dick all election long.

and if the media were liberal, you'd know it

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. "There is no kGB. It became defunct in 1991."

Uh huh....

http://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-resurrects-the-kgb-moscow-security/

[LaydeeBug]

42. Intellectual honesty doesn't mean much to some people...you can BE right, or you can DO right

that's what's left.

[Hekate]

25. LaydeeBug, I think I love you

I come here for some relief, and see post after post blaming the victims -- we, and Hillary -- we were fucking mugged in broad daylight, and it is somehow OUR fault?

Thank you thank you thank you

[LaydeeBug]

35. Oh, I love you right back.

This is the very first time I've said it, but I've seen it said before: there are *interlopers* here.

They are here for a reason

Let them *show* themselves, for 'By Their Deeds, Lord, We Will Know Them'.

[Madam45for2923]

41. this and this and this and this...

[radical noodle]

30. I'm beginning to think

that there are vast differences between the various types of Trump voters. The ones I know are more horrified by bathrooms, gay marriage, BLM, "riots," and crime (that they've never experienced and likely never will).

None of that happens to be any fault of Hillary's.

[Hekate]

33. Probably why such a huge variety of lies were told about Hillary; people heard what they wanted to

People heard what fit their preconceptions. Trump and his team are master manipulators.

[radical noodle]

34. Yes that's for sure

People generally do hear what they want to hear. I never thought I'd see such an obvious con man get so far.

[rumdude]

36. You've hit on something RE: the drug

problem in the middle of America. I've witnessed it with my own eyes - men in and women their prime cut down by opiates.

[LaydeeBug]

38. and instead of admitting there's even a problem (because no one talks about it)

it's just easier to blame the Mexicans. Or the n-words. Or welfare. Or whatever.

The same guys who say they're "retired at 42" instead of admitting that they're unemployed...which doesn't even begin to address the fact that they're unemployABLE, are the same ones who insist Dems are going to take their guns, and the same ones who insist welfare is the problem. (I promise you, more than not are the ones with the Food stamp card)

[Ruby the Liberal]

44. One of the media outlets did an overlay on counties that flipped from Obama in 2008

to Trump in 2016 against counties struggling greatly with the opioid epidemic. It was eye opening.

I'll try to find it -- I think I bookmarked it somewhere (it was about 10 days ago or so).

[betsuni]

45. K&R

[LaydeeBug]

46. shameless kick. just because. nt

[triron]

47. I have wondered about

the vulnerability of state voter registration data. Greg Palast talks about Cross Check and how it was used to remove voters from vote counts in targeted states. Why not use cyber attacks to do the same thing?

[LaydeeBug]

48. such an important point. So much can get lost in the excitement. nt

[UCmeNdc]

49. Agree!

[phleshdef]

50. Its Russia, its Comey, its the fucking stupid Benghazi investigations that never should've happened.

I supported Bernie through the primary because I wanted his ideas to become more mainstream. I knew Hillary Clinton would be the nominee and I was all in for her after that was official. This is an unprecedented loss of the Presidency. You get MILLIONS more votes. You have an opponent that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and goes around bragging about grabbing women by the vagina... seriously... what the fuck.

The only way that piece of shit won those few states that matter, by 1% or so in all of them mind you, is there was either cheating or the dumb shit aimed at Hillary Clinton in those last 2 weeks just knocked her down enough in those states. I don't really know which it was, its probably a little bit of both.

[LaydeeBug]

51. all day long. But make no mistake, they *HACKED* this election, nt

[politicaljunkie41910]

52. I share your pain. I ALSO live in a super red area of a dark blue state.

The people in my area who bombard the local editorial pages at least are educated and can write a coherent rant. But they also are bitter deplorables who have a sense of entitlement and think that the world owes them something because they are here. They blame minorities for all the nation's ills and believe that their ills are always someone else's fault, never their own. Perhaps they are correct, but they are blaming the wrong people. They blame trade agreements but, vote for Trump who makes the overpriced products he sells at Macy's, overseas. They blame the Unions who fought for the good benefits that they receive and enable them to live a good life for the loss of good jobs. They hate state and federal government workers whose salaries historically trailed those salaries of major corporations and the many defense contractors in our state calling them fat cats because they have finally been receiving wages and salaries commensurate with their education and their skills. They blame Obama for the high cost of medical insurance but applauded the GOP for refusing to work with the President on an affordable health care system for ALL Americans and refused to allow the Federal Government to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies on drug prices when those same companies sell their same drugs around the world for much less than they charge here because other countries negotiate much lower prices.

I've said this here before on DU, but as a minority, I can accept this nation's shortcomings more easily even though my people can trace their presence here in America a lot further back than many of the more viceral hate mongers who are second and third generation Americans. My parents and my husband's parents both raised their children that the world owed them nothing and taught us to work hard for what you want and to appreciate what you have. So keeping up with the Joneses was never a problem with us and we passed these values on to our children. This doesn't mean that we don't like nice things or don't have nice things we just prioritize our wants and needs and we have always been savers because tomorrow is not guaranteed. Coming from a family of 9 kids, all college educated professionals, only two of us have never been laid off; my sister whose a nurse, and myself who has a degree in Accounting and has served in the military and worked for the federal government as an auditor and a contract Administrator for 27 years. I even have a sister whose a physician, and one whose a lawyer who have been laid off during recessions. No one had time for a pity party. You get to feel sorry for yourself for the rest of the day and then you get up the next morning and you start looking for your next job. Family members have relocated out of state for their next jobs. It seems only people in Rustbelt states feel entitled to wait for the next job to come to them, i.e. waiting for the proverbial mountain to come to Mohammed, instead of Mohammed going to the mountain. The mountain has never come to Mohammed.

[LaydeeBug]

54. The thing is, these peeps will whine and complain regardless.

And they need to be TOLD. *EVERYTHING* is always someone else's fault.

But standing behind this treason is...treason.

[LaydeeBug]

60. This is such an amazing post. It should be an OP.

I have read it, empathizing with each word, over and over again.

[Blue_Tires]

53. +1

[NobodyHere]

55. Hiring undocumented workers is illegal

Your uncle should be in jail.

[LaydeeBug]

56. so should Donald Trump

but of course they HIRE a documented worker and THAT GUY subcontracts out the undocumented worker. That way, my uncle is protected, and the littler guy is on the ropes.

It's been this way for over 20 years, so I don't expect a wall is going to change it. And then, the UGLY truth emerges: He's too rich to go to jail.