2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumStein got enough votes in Michigan and Wisconsin to flip those states,
if her votes had gone to the only other progressive in the race, Hillary Clinton.
For Hillary to have won PA (assuming the vote counts were correct), she would have also needed some of Johnson's votes.
I wonder if any of the Johnson or Stein voters are having buyer's regret now.
http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-results-did-gary-johnson-jill-stein-cost-hillary-clinton-election-2446589
Trump won Pennsylvania with a total of 2,912,941 votes compared to Clintons 2,884,705, a difference of 68,236 votes. Johnson took more votes than the difference by himself, receiving 2.4 percent of the state, or 142,653 votes, but Stein received just 0.8 percent, or 48,912 votes.
Though Michigan's official vote tally awaits approval from the AP, Trump appears to have taken the state and its 16 electoral votes by less than a half-percent, receiving only 11,423 more votes than Clinton. Johnson won far more of the states votes than that, closing out with 173,023 votes, while Stein received 50,690.
The margin was also slim in Wisconsin (11 electoral votes), with Trump winning by only 27,257 votes, receiving 1,409,467 to Clintons 1,382,210. Stein alone got more votes than Trumps margin, receiving 30,980 votes, while Johnson received 106,442 votes.
msongs
(67,443 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)based on things he was saying in the last couple months. He really hates Trump.
Maybe Stein is feeling a bit remorseful; or maybe she's just trying to raise the profile of her party.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)who (like the Berniebots, Sarandon, et al) all poisoned the younger voters against "establishment Dems", which in no small part contributed to putting Trump and his fascist goons in power.
And still, we would've won easily if not for Comey's violation of the Hatch Act, which rocked the election with only 11 days to go.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)for Trump, it's not entirely sure they should, any more than the write-in voters or ones who left it blank. Or didn't even show up. Shame them a little, I suppose, but heap the primary blame on the ignorant masses who directly voted for Trump.
This odd system is the one we have, and it has worked well. Most of the the time.
"President Trump"-- I don't think I'll ever be able to say that without gagging, or have a little tear in my eye.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)If a voter is so pissed off they are voting for 3rd party or doing write-ins.....I seriously doubt they have any regrets. They are voting that way for a reason.
You can't remove a candidate from a ballot and then suggest all those voters will go to someone else. It simply doesn't work that way.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)and another progressive wasn't on the ballot, they might have voted for Hillary -- we'll never know.
FogerRox
(13,211 posts)thats her green base. Those voters will never vote Dem.
FogerRox
(13,211 posts)Thats the hard core green base in Wisconsin. Those people will never vote Dem. That leaves 23,315.
Thats not enough to put Clinton over the top.