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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:00 PM Dec 2012

Obama Drops the Hammer on Republicans and Pulls Back His Last Fiscal Cliff Proposal


Obama Drops the Hammer on Republicans and Pulls Back His Last Fiscal Cliff Proposal

After House Republicans imploded over their own Plan B, President Obama took away much of his previous proposal by calling for Republicans to get their act together and cut taxes on the 98% right now.

Obama said he met them on taxes and he met them more than halfway on spending, The president said he is still committed to working towards the goal of making a deal, but in 10 days we are facing a deadline. The president then reiterated his call for Congress to immediately extend the Bush tax cuts for the 98%. He said he spoke to both Boehner and Reid, and he is asking them to extend the tax cuts for the 98% and extend unemployment benefits. Obama said, “Governing is a shared responsibility between both parties…everybody’s got to give a little bit in a sensible way. We move forward together, or we don’t move forward at all.”

The president turned up the heat by asking members of Congress to think about their obligations to the people that they serve over Christmas. President Obama said, “We’re going to have find some common ground.” He said the challenge is that the American people are much more sensible, responsible, and willing to compromise than the people they elected.

Underneath all the nice language about compromise, President Obama pulled back any sort of cuts that he had offered in his previous proposal by urging Republicans and Democrats to pass a tax cut extension for the 98%. In other words, that $400,000 income cutoff for the tax cut extension is gone, and we are back to $250,000. In fact, the President appeared to take all spending cuts off the table.

Obama’s call for congressional leadership to put spending cuts on the shelf and cut taxes for the 98% is exactly what he has wanted all along. Republicans blew their once chance at a deal, and now it looks like they can kiss any immediate entitlement cuts goodbye. It would surprise no one if Republicans reject what the president put on the table today, but the president is making House Republicans pay a price for their incompetence by cutting his offer.

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Full article here: http://www.politicususa.com/obama-drops-hammer-republicans-pulls-fiscal-cliff-proposal.html



Bolding is mine.

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Obama Drops the Hammer on Republicans and Pulls Back His Last Fiscal Cliff Proposal (Original Post) Tx4obama Dec 2012 OP
Good for him. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #1
So, it really looks like we're gonna go over? That's disappointing, but the Prez has tried. nt Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #2
They'll be back at it after Christmas. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #34
Many on DU will be disappointed...n/t monmouth3 Dec 2012 #3
Lol NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #11
Like who? Anyone particular in mind? Or just projecting. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #31
And many will say, serves Republicans right. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #32
That's what it looks like to me. Ligyron Dec 2012 #4
Thank you, Jason Easley, and Tx! Cha Dec 2012 #5
Obama got game. Never doubted he knew appacom Dec 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author santamargarita Dec 2012 #7
My sentiments exactly. Chemisse Dec 2012 #24
I suspect that Republicans got the same calls from seniors and their kids JDPriestly Dec 2012 #33
Would you feel the same if your unemployment benefits were going to expire on Jan. 1? pnwmom Dec 2012 #37
Tell that to people who face losing their unemployment, or workers who could lose their jobs democrattotheend Dec 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author santamargarita Dec 2012 #45
So you're willing to let the country go into recession taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #47
I would hope to christ he did Cosmocat Dec 2012 #8
So, according to someone's interpretation, he's taken SS cuts off the table once again? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #9
That doesn't sound like they said anything about the CPI ? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #14
Here's what Obama said that couldn't pertain to anything but SS: forestpath Dec 2012 #15
no heaven05 Dec 2012 #21
Yes. forestpath Dec 2012 #27
He'll get that SS cut. Probably as soon as he originally wanted it, but if not, next time. bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #22
and heaven05 Dec 2012 #42
I wouldn't be surprised ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #10
I'd Try To Sweeten It With Some Stimulus In Return for A Reduction In The Military Sequestration Skraxx Dec 2012 #35
That'll work. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #36
Any tax burden on those under $250'000 can EmeraldCityGrl Dec 2012 #12
Yes, and then it can be framed as a tax cut for 100% of taxpayers subterranean Dec 2012 #25
Looks like GOP leadership needs to negotiate with Democrats ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #13
Why didn't he delineate the cuts he had offered? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #16
I said he should have bpositive Dec 2012 #17
Totally saw this coming. Aldo Leopold Dec 2012 #18
To all of those calling my hypothesis 'shit'... railsback Dec 2012 #19
I heaven05 Dec 2012 #20
OK for the tax rates JEB Dec 2012 #23
Going over the fiscal bump soon. Ye ha! Harriety Dec 2012 #26
the parts in bold are in Jason Easley's imagination Enrique Dec 2012 #28
"Might as well Jump" raquel69 Dec 2012 #29
And it's our job to get pissed and gripe when he brings out any spending cuts. valerief Dec 2012 #30
My sister sent me this yesterday. It pertains to what you posted DFW Dec 2012 #38
Ha! Good one! nt valerief Dec 2012 #40
Good for him! UCmeNdc Dec 2012 #39
I think it's just a game WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2012 #41
I agree democrattotheend Dec 2012 #44
Any offer that was once on the table can be back on the table taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #46

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. And many will say, serves Republicans right.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:54 PM
Dec 2012

The military expenditures will be cut. That is something they don't want.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
4. That's what it looks like to me.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:20 PM
Dec 2012

back to 250K and below and go over the cliff.

Then it's their fault -- which it always was anyway.

We'll live

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. I suspect that Republicans got the same calls from seniors and their kids
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:56 PM
Dec 2012

about the cuts to Social Security that the Democrats did.

It is possible that the Republicans did not want to cut Social Security in the end.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
43. Tell that to people who face losing their unemployment, or workers who could lose their jobs
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:55 AM
Dec 2012

If we go into another recession.

I am not saying a bad deal is necessarily better than going over, but callous attitudes like that really bug me. A lot of people will be hurt if we go over the cliff, some in a much more immediate and hard-hitting way than the impact of having SS go up less over time.

Response to democrattotheend (Reply #43)

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
47. So you're willing to let the country go into recession
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:42 PM
Dec 2012

hurting millions of middle class americans to avoid a miniscule cut to those that would be almost unharmed by that very disaster? How progressive of you! (or should I say... how selfish of you...?)

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
9. So, according to someone's interpretation, he's taken SS cuts off the table once again?
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:38 PM
Dec 2012

If he didn't keep insisting upon SS cuts, the self-appointed Obama spokesmen would have more credibility when claiming, eg, that

"President Obama pulled back any sort of cuts that he had offered in his previous proposal "
 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
15. Here's what Obama said that couldn't pertain to anything but SS:
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:12 PM
Dec 2012
"As of today, I am still ready and willing to get a comprehensive package done. I still believe that reducing our deficit is the right thing to do for the long-term health of our economy and the confidence of our businesses. I remain committed to working towards that goal, whether it happens all at once or whether it happens in several different steps "

So he's going to need a lot of hammers.

bloomington-lib

(946 posts)
22. He'll get that SS cut. Probably as soon as he originally wanted it, but if not, next time.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:45 PM
Dec 2012

I do not read anything implying that he's fighting or even wants to keep SS from getting cuts.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
42. and
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:31 AM
Dec 2012

I'm not reading anything with my President saying he is going to cut SSI. Keep sharpening those knives Quislings. Brutus is envious in his grave of ALL you folks. He knows he taught you well.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. I wouldn't be surprised ...
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:39 PM
Dec 2012

if the main features of the deal are:

U/C extension
cut-off at $500K
and no sequestor
with a promise to look at spending later

This deal I could live with ... but I suspect it'll still upset many here because "He promised $250K!"

Further, I think all the calls for bi-partisanship from Democratic leaders is to pick off about 24 gopers.

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
35. I'd Try To Sweeten It With Some Stimulus In Return for A Reduction In The Military Sequestration
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:14 PM
Dec 2012

But that's just me.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
12. Any tax burden on those under $250'000 can
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:43 PM
Dec 2012

be retroactively corrected after we go over the cliff. Obama can't play nice with these
fools. They know once they go over they are in a much weaker position. Nice move.

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
25. Yes, and then it can be framed as a tax cut for 100% of taxpayers
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:11 PM
Dec 2012

since even billionaires will pay less on their first $250,000 of earnings. It will be interesting to see the Republicans opposing that.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. Why didn't he delineate the cuts he had offered?
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:19 PM
Dec 2012

Boehner said the White House has done nothing toward negotiating. The jerk tea partier on M Joe this morning said there were immediate cuts in Boehner's Plan B or the White House proposal....except for some things for the future.

These things need to be addressed, so that the public is CLEAR that the White House has done what Obama claims: gone more than halfway, and included cuts in his proposal.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
18. Totally saw this coming.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:28 PM
Dec 2012

Just as a smart lawyer never asks a question he/she does not already know the answer to, a smart negotiator never makes a "conciliatory offer" he/she knows will compromise their true objective.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
28. the parts in bold are in Jason Easley's imagination
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:30 PM
Dec 2012

as is the hammer. He told them to have egg nog and enjoy their families, which is fine with me. It was a perfectly good statement by Obama, no need for imaginary hammers.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
30. And it's our job to get pissed and gripe when he brings out any spending cuts.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:50 PM
Dec 2012

We're all doing our jobs.

Except for the freakin' Congress.

DFW

(54,387 posts)
38. My sister sent me this yesterday. It pertains to what you posted
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:15 AM
Dec 2012

A WISH TO LIVE FOREVER


I met a fairy who said she would grant me one wish.

Immediately I said, "I want to live forever."

"Sorry," said the fairy, "I'm not allowed to grant eternal life."

"OK," I said, "Then, I want to die after Congress gets its head out of its ass!"

"You crafty bastard," said the fairy.

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
41. I think it's just a game
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:01 AM
Dec 2012

that both sides are playing. These kinds of things always get done dramatically at the 11th hour. And the cliff isn't a cliff. It's a temporary period until the politicians get enough heat to make a deal.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
44. I agree
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:56 AM
Dec 2012

I just hope the GOP wants a deal even more than the president does so that they will be the ones who give in.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
46. Any offer that was once on the table can be back on the table
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
Dec 2012

whether you're buying a DVD at Best Buy, a car, or negotiating budgets at the federal level.

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