Did Obama win the election because he was a better liar?

[Evergreen Emerald]

Was Obama simply a better liar than Romney?

Obama promised to be the protector of the senior/middle/lower class "entitlements" (versus the entitlements for corporations like Exxon). He would protect us from Romney and the Republicans who would increase the rates on seniors and destroy the social safety net.

Romney and Ryan, conversely, said (one of many things they said), that they were the protectors of Social Security.

http://www.ourfuture.org/keepthepromise (Obama's promise)

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/24/romneys-60-minutes-fix-for-social-security-and-medicare/ (Romney's Promise)


Here we are, shortly after the election, and even before his inauguration, and he gives the republican's social security.

We need to hold Obama to his promise. Call/write the White House and your Senators.

[elleng]

1. ...

[graham4anything]

2. Would not want you watching my back. Big fail.

another cutten runner

we didn't need your vote in the first place

don't let the door hit you on the way out

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. No: He is the cut and runner

I am not the cut and runner. I worked the phone banks, I went door to door. I fought for him. I stood by him. I believed him.

I am a betrayed, disillusioned voter who trusted him when he said he would NOT put SS on the table.

[graham4anything]

11. wgas. This issue wasn't even in my top 1000 issues of importance anyhow

Blame Ralph Nader. Al Gore wanted a lock box

because of third parties, America went bankrupt.

so blame Nader.

[nyrocks19645_sbt]

26. +1

[Lisa D]

3. It's a silly post like this

that really makes me appreciate the "Trash" option. Thank you, Admins!

[riverbendviewgal]

5. agreed

Can't understand these cutters

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. Who says I am cutting? Hold him accountable for his words.

What a superficial reading of a legitimate question.

Did he lie just to get elected? Does he have a duty to stick by his words?

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. Really? You are not going to hold him to his word?

Cover your eyes, mouth, ears to reality. Sit back and watch him give our SS away to those whose plan is to gut the government so they can drown it in the bathtub.

[boingboinh]

6. Cenk (of TYT) Predicted Obama would do this back in August

He mentioned that the evidence was all on paper in the news but people chose to ignore it.
So this isnt a surprise. The democratic party is continuing to shift to the right.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. I agree there is a shift to the right.

When we make "concessions" to the radical tea party in an effort to "compromise" we must move to the right.

I hate it when the politicians say "people want compromise." No, we do not want compromise for the sake of compromise. We want fairness.

I am surprised that Obama gave so much on SS--for the sake of compromise. SS has nothing to do with the financial crisis. The betrayal for the sake of compromise is a shitload to swallow.

[graham4anything]

12. was a deal signed yet? I don't recall reading it

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. He offered. He put SS on the table. No deal? Not yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022045704


If you wait for the deal...it is too late. Time to hold him to his word. Tell him to take it back.

[graham4anything]

14. You must think he is a dictator. Voting for repubs in 2014 will get you what you want, right?

Better time would be spent getting 100% amnesty, 100% citizenship and 100% guns off the street

but you are entitled to your wedge issues.

like a President is ever going to get 100%. Even LBJ did not get everything he wanted

Maybe if the senior Democrats in the Senate weren't so busy angling for a new job and did some strongarming like was done in LBJ's day. But they are too busy wanting to be SOS and other positions to bother anyhow.

[NYC Liberal]

10. No. nt

[pnwest]

15. troll much?

[Coyotl]

57. Yeah! And, jump the gun much too?

[coalition_unwilling]

16. I have plenty to disagree with Obama about (chiefly foreign and defense policies), but I

really must draw the line at calling him a 'liar.' Obama made an offer he knew that Rape-publi-scum would have to refuse (b/c it took the debt ceiling off the table). That's not a lie, that's poker-playing bluffing at its finest. Rs, like the putzes and chumps they are, didn't call his bluff and instead folded their hand and left the table. Translation; Obama and we get to collect the pot and Rs get nothing.

For your reading enjoyment: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578193770576333616.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[Evergreen Emerald]

17. Troll? I have been here through three presidential elections.

He lied. He promised adamantly and often that he would not allow republicans to fix the economic mess on the backs of seniors.

He promised.


I am not a troll. I want to know....did he turn is back on all of us who fought for him?

[coalition_unwilling]

19. Hunh? Was your post intended for me? I very seldom use the 'troll' epithet and

certainly did not here.

Actually, though, come to think of it, when you say Obama is a 'liar,' you may be entering troll territory.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. Nope...the one above

I don't think it is troll-like to hold Obama to his word.

Did he lie? He offered social security. Something that he had been adamantly protecting during elections. The ink on the ballots is barely dry.

[coalition_unwilling]

21. It IS troll-like to call Obama a 'liar,' as that seems the type of epithet

designed not to advance discussion but to provoke responses, i.e., 'trolling'.

That said, read the article at the WSJ link I provided. I think you may just gain a whole new level of appreciation for Obama after reading it. I know I did.

[UCmeNdc]

18. No Obama took the Social Security offer back

Matter of fact he went back to his original offer:


http://www.politicususa.com/obama-drops-hammer-republicans-pulls-fiscal-cliff-proposal.html

[xxxsdesdexxx]

22. Relax. Obama is not doing as you say. I disagree completely.

[forestpath]

23. K&R

[JoePhilly]

24. Another manufactured outrage widget hits the shop room floor. Thud.

[Summer Hathaway]

32. Thanks for clarifying

I've been wondering what that "thud, thud, thud" noise was every time I opened a thread.

Also explains why you can't walk through a thread about Obama without stepping on all of those failed widgets that are scattered all over the floor.

[pnwmom]

25. Is your post a good example of lying with questions?

Is your post a good example of setting up a false equivalency?

Will you try to be a better liar in the future?

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. yeah...I am not a good liar

I am pissed, however, at the thought that Obama agreed to cuts in SS for no reason other than to "compromise" on the backs of seniors.

[pnwmom]

30. Hasn't it occurred to you that Obama knew there was no chance in hell Boehner

would take that offer?

That all he did was call Boehner's bluff?

[backscatter712]

59. That question mark in the OP is actually a Cavuto mark. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Congratulations. You have a whole new fanclub now. You're one of the....

cool kids.



Thank God for Ignore.

[patrice]

29. No. Just because you can't "hear certain wave-lengths of sound" doesn't mean they don't exist. nt

[backscatter712]

31. Your despair is noted.

[loyalkydem]

33. I am so sick of the these bash Obama threads

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. This is not a bash Obama thread

It is a hold Obama accountable for his actions thread.

[woo me with science]

35. Indeed. nt

[Whisp]

39. if you are comparing the Rmoney with Obama

and talking like 'both sides do it', you got rocks in our head.

No, I take that back - boulders.

pathetic.
you should get coal and onions in your Xmas stocking for that fart.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. Please explain how the two lies differ?

Instead of insults, explain.

[xxxsdesdexxx]

41. I actually don't think Obama is lying.

Lie

1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

2. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.

[democrattotheend]

46. Calling him a liar goes beyond holding him accountable, IMO

It crosses the line into bashing.

[Tutonic]

36. Silly rabbit, he won by promising gifts. I'll be driving my gift off the lot after Christmas.

Thanks Barry O. You da man!

[loyalkydem]

37. I do not find your reply funny Tutonic

[Whisp]

38. gag

[renie408]

42. Ok, I have been working all day

Did something happen that I should know about? Cause last I heard that didn't happen and if I write my Senators or call the White House, I am going to look pretty damn stupid.

[Xyzse]

43. At the moment, I don't really mind much

I look at the Romney agenda, and take a look at it again...
Then think, ok, it's not that bad yet.

Oh, and we have the possibility of getting better Supreme Court Judges...
So, anything left of what Romney planned, I am ok with for now.

Yes, I know it can be considered lowered expectations, but at the moment, I'm just tired.
I know Obama is to the right of me, but I am still quite happy that we are not facing the abyss called Romney, so...

There you go.

Any how, I'll take you on your word that you wish to call/write the White House and your representatives. I mean, that is only the civic thing to do.

However, in regards to calling Obama a liar... well, being a politician tends to be synonymous with such a thing... Still, perhaps that word is too harsh for now, since it isn't even the beginning of his 2nd term as of yet.

The idea for the moment is that both sides want to show that they are working towards a solution. I prefer he FDR it up, but, this is Obama, the fact that it isn't Romney is enough for me for now. Still, good luck on that fight.

I still prefer him to just let the tax cut expires, not cut a deal, and postpone implementation of sequestration.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

44. I love the "Trash This Thread" function

[Kennah]

48. How did you get that? Do I need to upgrade my Star Membership?

[Drunken Irishman]

45. Obama won because he's a good man, who ran a good campaign and people like him.

[Kennah]

47. The degrees of separation between Obama and Romney are far greater than 6. More like 16,000.

[davidpdx]

49. I have no problem with holding Obama's feet to the fire

Whether you want to call him a liar is on your own conscience.

That being said we don't yet know what really will happen.

I have stood behind Obama since April of 2007 when I first gave to him campaign. Five and a half years out I'm not going to start screaming that he's selling us out when we don't know what's really on the table.

If you are wrong, then maybe you should think about supporting someone else.

[66 dmhlt]

50. In answer to your IDIOTIC question: NO!

And you are a horse's patoot for even asking such a stupid question.

[moobu2]

51. President Obama is not a dictator.

[DFW]

52. Obama won the election because he was the better candidate

If you subtract the effects of Republican voter fraud and their huge money advantage, he won in a landslide.

This is not Obama's first rodeo, so to speak. He has been here before. He was a pretty good student in college. He does learn stuff as he goes along, and he knows who elected him and why.


Instead of pushing the panic button, I'd look up Yogi Berra quotes containing "it's over."

[andlor]

53. +1

[quaker bill]

54. He was the better candidate, and therefore the better politician

Translate that however you like, because you will anyway.

He hasn't given anything away to anyone, nothing has been signed into law.

One can spend time worried about every step in sausage making, or one can enjoy the meal when it is served. It is only served when it is signed into law.

I am an increasingly small number of years from claiming social security benefits. I do have a dog in this hunt, but I do not spend much time worrying about chained CPI. It either will not happen, or it will not be sustained.

[CheapShotArtist]

55. How the fuck did this even get 13 recs?

[RBInMaine]

56. Your post is hyperbolic purist nonsense. Shame on you. Please go join the TeaLeftistParty.

[Zoeisright]

60. This is a disgusting post.

Shame on you. And grow up.