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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:01 PM Jan 2013

Log Cabin Republicans Criticize Chuck Hagel's Gay Rights Record In Full-Page Ad

Hagel recently apologized, saying his 1998 remarks were "insensitive." Hormel has said the former senator's remarks seemed politically timed but accepted them as a "clear apology."

The Log Cabin Republicans' ad says Hagel's apology is "too little, too late," and includes a timeline of the senator's record on gay rights. It points out that in 1996, he said he would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibits federal recognition of same-sex marriages. In 1999, he also said he opposed repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," the ban on openly gay men and women serving in the military that was repealed in 2010.

The group's stance against Hagel appears to be far stricter than it was against GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, whom it endorsed in the presidential race. Romney also opposed same-sex marriage and took hardline positions against gay rights during his campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/log-cabin-republicans-chuck-hagel_n_2423950.html

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Log Cabin Republicans Criticize Chuck Hagel's Gay Rights Record In Full-Page Ad (Original Post) UCmeNdc Jan 2013 OP
In 1999, didn't ALL Republicans vote for DADT???? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #1
It was 1993 and not all voted for it dsc Jan 2013 #8
And did the Log Cabin Republicans not support those same Republicans? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #23
I don't know if they supported them or not dsc Jan 2013 #24
Well, the name suggests that they supported Republicans, like Bush and Cheney, no? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #25
I don't think they endorsed Bush either time dsc Jan 2013 #26
Supported Bush in 2000, supported McCain in 2008, supported Mitt in 2012. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #29
DADT was actually an improvement over the ban that was current at the time. tblue Jan 2013 #28
I don't understand why the LCRs are complaining The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #2
This is nothing but a Smoke screen. Wellstone ruled Jan 2013 #3
The LCRs can't be taken seriously since THEY'RE members of a party that has discrimination jenmito Jan 2013 #4
I'm confused. Myrina Jan 2013 #5
they have a cheney in their membership now Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #10
Gay republicans... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #6
. Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #7
I'm glad someone got it. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #12
I can't think of a better metaphor. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #15
bwhahaha Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #14
Remind this young kid who he is sakabatou Jan 2013 #17
Dave Chappelle... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #18
XD sakabatou Jan 2013 #19
Hahahahahahahahahaha! graywarrior Jan 2013 #20
hasn't the daughter of Dick Cheney taken up with the LCR? Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #9
Interesting Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #11
Has there ever been a bigger joke of a political movement? Take a look at your own party's platform Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #13
Not since Chickens for Colonel Sanders.. Cha Jan 2013 #22
Exactly Cha. They have absolutely no credibility, convictions, or dignity in my book. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #27
Is this the same LCR that ENDORSED ROMNEY??????? RomneyLies Jan 2013 #16
They have got to be f****** Kidding! Cha Jan 2013 #21
Must have been quite a payoff NightOwwl Jan 2013 #30

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
1. In 1999, didn't ALL Republicans vote for DADT????
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jan 2013

And yet the Log Cabin Republicans continued to vote for them. No?

They knew Bush and Cheney's stance on these issues and they still voted for THEM.

But NOW those votes matter to them. Interesting.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. And did the Log Cabin Republicans not support those same Republicans?
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jan 2013

I'm trying to understand why one would take the Log Cabin republicans seriously in their opposition to Hagel when they seem pretty willing to support other Republicans who have taken far more outrages positions on equal rights for gays.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
24. I don't know if they supported them or not
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jan 2013

I don't know which Senators did it. McCain did it as did Helms.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. Well, the name suggests that they supported Republicans, like Bush and Cheney, no?
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jan 2013

And Bush and Cheney defended DADT and DOMA.

The point that I, and now many others in this thread are making, is that LCRs lack any credibility in the discussion of Hagel.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
29. Supported Bush in 2000, supported McCain in 2008, supported Mitt in 2012.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jan 2013

Not endorsing Bush in 2004 is not the same opposing him either.

They are opposing Hagel.

Interesting article on this ... apparently they opposed Romney in 2008, then supported him in 2012.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/23/1071511/log-cabin-republicans-endorse-romney-despite-previously-criticizing-his-anti-lgbt-record/

Again, they have ZERO credibility.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
28. DADT was actually an improvement over the ban that was current at the time.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jan 2013

It is much maligned and yes it was terribly flawed, but at the time it was an attempt to stop witch hunts and to lift a total ban. It was a step forward at the time when the subject was considered very controversial. Newly elected President Clinton at first tried to just overturn the ban but got slapped back by Colin Powell and others. Having no military credentials to his name, he deferred to their judgment. In retrospect, not the optimum choice, but he was trying to do the right thing against great odds.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
2. I don't understand why the LCRs are complaining
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jan 2013

about something Hagel said years ago while they still vote for other Republicans who continue to express the same or worse opinions. I don't get those people at all.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. This is nothing but a Smoke screen.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:17 PM
Jan 2013

It's all about protecting the Military-Industrial-Complex from the major cuts that will take place in the next two years. The big six media groups along with the Punditocracy are trying to control the news cycle. Were do you think the budget cuts are going to come from,nobody in their right mind is going to touch the third rail. You touch Social Security programs your toast and the Rethugs know this.

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
4. The LCRs can't be taken seriously since THEY'RE members of a party that has discrimination
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

written in their PLATFORM.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
5. I'm confused.
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

They're gay REPUBLICANS and they're bashing someone for making anti-gay remarks?

Doesn't the fact that they're part of the party that blatantly disses gays at every turn sort of negate their ability to comment?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
18. Dave Chappelle...
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:45 PM
Jan 2013

had a skit where he played a blind black white supremecist. When he finally found out the truth, he divorced his wife of 20 years for marrying a black man.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
9. hasn't the daughter of Dick Cheney taken up with the LCR?
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:07 PM
Jan 2013

edited b/c i'm totally mixing her up with her more
fearsomely known sister

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
11. Interesting
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:16 PM
Jan 2013

that the Log Cabin Republicans only seem to ever attack Democrats or Democratic nominees over their gay rights record while always conveniently ignoring the constant "in-your-face" bigotry and hostility towards any pro-gay rights legislation/policies by Republicans. I don't know of any elected Republicans whom support same-sex marriage, almost all of them voted to preserve DADT in 2010 (after initially filibustering repeal), and then a Democratic President nominates a former Republican Senator who made some anti-gay remarks (that he has since apologized for) and NOW they're upset?


Tarheel_Dem

(31,240 posts)
13. Has there ever been a bigger joke of a political movement? Take a look at your own party's platform
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jan 2013

LCR, and get back to us.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
16. Is this the same LCR that ENDORSED ROMNEY???????
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 05:37 PM
Jan 2013

They weren't concerned about Romney being anti-gay just a few months ago but they're dead set against Chuck Hagel because he was on the wrong side of history nearly two decades ago????????

Cha

(297,655 posts)
21. They have got to be f****** Kidding!
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:04 PM
Jan 2013

They come out NOW and give a s*** about people insulting Gays!

What they've done is Exposed their Hypocrisy.. Big Time.

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