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By Aviva Shen on Jan 25, 2013 at 11:05 am
Conservatives are outraged over Defense Secretary Leon Panettas decision to lift the ban on women in combat, which opens up more than 200,000 frontline positions to women. Opponents of the move have called it humiliating and dangerous to unit cohesion. On CNNs Starting Point, host Soledad OBrien caught one such critic off guard by anonymously quoting a similar argument made during integration of African Americans into the military.
Professor Kingsley Browne, author of Co-Ed Combat, argued that the militarys physical standards would have to be lowered to accommodate women because there is very little overlap in physical capacity between men and women. OBrien asked him if he agreed with a 1941 quote blasting military integration from Colonel Eugene Householder without revealing its context:
BROWNE: I think that thats true. I dont think its true with respect to ultimate defeat of the United States in a war. I think whats likely to occur though is the defeat of the United States in small battles, which means people are going to die.
OBRIEN: That was from a guy in 1941. And that argument was about not allowing black people in the military. That was his exact argument of why blacks should not be allowed in the military, because its a danger to efficiency and discipline and morale and will result in ultimate defeat.
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/25/1495681/cnn-anchor-tricks-opponent-of-women-in-combat-to-endorse-racial-segregation/
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the good Professor Browne does teach history ... well, we can hope that he doesn't.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and against women as police, as fire fighters, or anywhere near the workforce rights up till late 1960's.
damned neanderthrals trying to drag us backward into the caves of no enlightenment.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)was going on about women not being physically equal to the task... "If I'm out on patrol with a woman who weighs 130 lbs and I'm injured, how is she going to drag all 6'4", 230 lbs of me to safety. But I could put her over my shoulder and carry her out." Sure you could Joey...sure you could. Guess he's never heard of adrenaline...amongst other things.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I doubt very many could, myself, but the scenario he describes won't happen.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)However, do not sell women short...women have evolved to carry heavy loads, long distances...a man's muscles are more conducive to short, less sustainable, bursts...
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Plenty of female bodybuilders out there, for example.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)weighed the same...not all soldiers are the size of Scarborough.
damonm
(2,655 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)These people talk as if every single combat infantry guy in history was some kind of NFL linebacker. If my uncle weighed more than more than 145 when he was combat infantry in Vietnam, I speak eight dialects of Mandarin. I mean, truly. These arguments are getting more and more bizarre.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)soaking wet, when he was in Nam.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)He was probably soaking wet a lot in Vietnam.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)even if another male soldier happened to be on patrol with him.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)The military doesn't have an official seperate physical fitness standards for combat versus non-combat soldiers, they have one standard for men, and another significantly easier standard for women. Below is a link to the test currently used.
http://www.apft-standards.com/files/14ch.pdf
We have these physical standards for a reason. Women are not men. Nor does this test even begin to represent the incredible physical demands that combat infantry soldiers must sometimes overcome to complete their missions or even survive. Now maybe none of this matters to you, but let's at least stay grounded in reality when we discuss these kinds of things.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)And I say this as someone who agrees with her point. When you take a vague, out-of-context quote and get someone to agree with it, then come back with, "Know who said that? Hitler!" that's shitty.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)While Soledad has been great on a lot of issues recently, this sort of tactic is beneath her.
Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)Typically the men that choose Combat Arms like to hunt, shoot guns, camp, hike, and those sorts of things outdoors things.
The women that will also want be in Combat Arms will be the same time of person.