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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:13 AM Jan 2013

Dems: Nominate Martin O’Malley for president!


No matter how much you may want Hillary to win, the more candidates running for president, the better

BY JONATHAN BERNSTEIN


Hey, Democrats! No matter how much you like Hillary Clinton – and if she runs, she’s certainly a very solid favorite to win the presidential nomination in 2016 – what you want to be doing now is getting Martin O’Malley to run. And Andrew Cuomo. And Joe Biden. And Amy Klobuchar. And maybe two or three others.

Why? Because competition for nominations is the best way for most of us to really affect what happens in a democracy. A walkover for Clinton would mean that Democrats – activists, donors, party officials and staff, and everyone else – would give up their best chance for leverage over the political system.

Indeed, this gets into what democracy really is and how it functions. The key is the limited ability of voters-as-just-voters to really do much. After all, suppose you voted for Barack Obama over Mitt Romney in November. What message did you send? That you liked the Affordable Care Act? Wanted to reward Obama for the death of bin Laden? Didn’t like Paul Ryan’s House budget? Support marriage equality, or abortion rights, or voting rights? Oppose the war in Iraq? Or perhaps you happen to be expressing ethnic solidarity with Obama; perhaps you are a bigot and don’t like Mormons. Or maybe you didn’t like the 47 percent stuff, or you’re punishing the GOP for George W. Bush. Maybe you just like the cut of Barack Obama’s jib.

It’s even worse for partisans. If you’re a loyal party voter – and if you know much about politics, it’s sensible to be one – then if you voted for Obama, you almost certainly voted for him in 2008, and John Kerry before that, and Al Gore, and Bill Clinton, and however far back you go. What message are you sending? “I’m a Democrat.”

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Dems: Nominate Martin O’Malley for president! (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
I get the Mondale-Dukakis vibe from him bluestateguy Jan 2013 #1
In other words, he is not HILLARY karynnj Jan 2013 #2
Unlike most Democrats, my governor, Martin O'Malley has stood up to the Republicans Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #5
+1000 PADemD Jan 2013 #9
+1000 Mass Jan 2013 #11
Not an endorsement for O'Malley, but nobody is really a heavyweight 4 years before an election Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #13
He has been a very success governor of Maryland, and there is NO Mondale/Dukakis madinmaryland Jan 2013 #15
yes, me too. DCBob Jan 2013 #18
I like the idea of O'Malley as the nominee, but I'd still like to see more of him. Arkana Jan 2013 #21
Deval Patrick Freddie Jan 2013 #3
I see him more in the Senate for now. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #7
He wont. At least not this cycle. Mass Jan 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #4
The claim is from his father. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #6
Nevermind Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #8
I like him. He is very good on TV. Mass Jan 2013 #10
I like Martin O’Malley very much and I could support him. And remember that last time totodeinhere Jan 2013 #14
Not crazy about my governor vincenzoesq Jan 2013 #16
me too. I live in MD and I voted for him of course but.. DCBob Jan 2013 #17
John Hickenlooper? Huh. Intriguing, but he is very centrist. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #19
Cuomo would get smoked Trascoli Jan 2013 #20
No way!! Nancy Waterman Jan 2013 #22

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
2. In other words, he is not HILLARY
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:40 AM
Jan 2013

I really do not get the need to attack any possible person who might possibly decide to run for President. In his case, he is a very strong future possibility - young enough that he would likely pass if HRC declared she is running. (I know the same could have been said for Obama, but in his case the calculus was different as his appeal could have been less as the time from his incredible speech increased. I don't think there is anything similar here.)

I think ANY possible future leader now would pale compared to the leaders we have seen in action - including Obama, HRC, and Biden. Part of that is that we are seeing one in depth, the other rather vaguely. Believe me, Bill Clinton in early 1992 did NOT impress like he did a year later. Those of us old enough remember that Democrats were far more impressed with Cuomo and were unhappy when he first equivocated then did not run.

This article says HRC would be a frontrunner. It also does look more like she will run, but I remember Al Gore looking like he could get in in 2004 - and then not doing so - and repeating that in 2008 (when unlike 2004, he would not have been the favorite over HRC.)

It may be that one of the next generation will be our candidate in 2014, but if not, they clearly will be in later years. It would be nice if people did not feel they had to dismiss all but their favorite - instead of just explaining where their favorite was a far better candidate.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
5. Unlike most Democrats, my governor, Martin O'Malley has stood up to the Republicans
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jan 2013

time and time again. Instead of relying on your "vibes," learn who he is first. O'Malley is not one these weak-kneed, run-of-the-mill, soft-spoken Democrats.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
13. Not an endorsement for O'Malley, but nobody is really a heavyweight 4 years before an election
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jan 2013

Yea Hillary is a "heavyweight" in the sense that she has near universal name recognition. She had basically the stature of an incumbent Vice President last time (for all of the good that did her) and would have it again next time.

O'Malley and the other names mentioned certainly are no lightweights. They are people who could conceivably be the next President. The thing is that most will not picture them as "presidential" until they secure their party's nomination and the probability that the reality that they may very well become President sinksin.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. yes, me too.
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:44 PM
Jan 2013

We need a stronger more charismatic candidate. This next election could be more challenging due to electoral college gerrymandering by the GOP.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
21. I like the idea of O'Malley as the nominee, but I'd still like to see more of him.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jan 2013

His convention speech was upstaged by the likes of Deval Patrick, of all people--so he's going to have to work much harder.

My general feeling is that the next Democratic nominee is going to have to come from outside Washington. That way, he/she can freely associate with the positive parts of Obama's administration and back away from the negative parts. One of our governors who's not named Andrew Cuomo.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
8. Nevermind
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jan 2013

Need...more...coffee...

My faith in Wikipedia is restored, but confidence in my own reading skills is now shaken.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
10. I like him. He is very good on TV.
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jan 2013

He is a solid progressive too. We could do a lot worse than him.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
14. I like Martin O’Malley very much and I could support him. And remember that last time
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jan 2013

Hillary Clinton was considered the solid favorite until a guy named Barack Obama came along. I think it will be healthy for the party to have a vigorous contest for the nomination rather than a Hillary Clinton coronation. But having said that I will have no problem whatsoever supporting Clinton if she gets the nomination.

vincenzoesq

(185 posts)
16. Not crazy about my governor
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jan 2013

I'm an educator in Maryland. O'Malley says he is for education, but he has not supported it, and has indeed supported big cuts. When teachers from every county in Maryland arrived in Annapolis to protest, the governor(who had not been invited to speak) jumped in on a shocked speaker, and took over the microphone. I am unimpressed. I am a lifelong democrat, and I don't know what I would do if he were our nominee.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
17. me too. I live in MD and I voted for him of course but..
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jan 2013

I really dont see him as Presidential material.... however....

I said the same thing about Bill Clinton many years ago when I lived in Arkansas.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
19. John Hickenlooper? Huh. Intriguing, but he is very centrist.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:23 AM
Jan 2013

Gillibrand--I've ruled her out as a lesser Hillary-Hawk clone.

Nancy Waterman

(6,407 posts)
22. No way!!
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jan 2013

I live in Maryland. He is a good governor, he is good on most issues, and I am happy to be in a Blue state. But O'Malley has zero charisma. ZERO. He could never win in a national contest.

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