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Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:14 PM Feb 2013

Ready to charge the GOP Leadership with treason yet?

MILITARY DEPLOYMENTS ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THE SEQUESTER.

A threat to national security.

DELIBERATE GOP (IN)ACTION threatening security and threatening the country...

failing that.. the sequester is a threat to national security so, an executive order putting it on hold would be in order?

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Ready to charge the GOP Leadership with treason yet? (Original Post) Rosco T. Feb 2013 OP
No, they suck but the constitution protects their right to suck. nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #1
Spin alert: Projected military cuts are never harmful to contractors. Scuba Feb 2013 #2
Reality Check: My Wife is employed on a government contract. Rosco T. Feb 2013 #3
Well the nurses and teachers have been sucking it up for a while .... Scuba Feb 2013 #4
Nice switch there. Lets talk about the employees. NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #6
Wherever the government cuts spending, real-life every day people feel it. Scuba Feb 2013 #7
Teachers versus defense industry workers is a false dichotomy. NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #8
my wife works in an environmental research position... Rosco T. Feb 2013 #10
So you DON'T want to cut the Pentagon budget? Doctor_J Feb 2013 #21
So you don't care about middle class jobs? NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #24
That is the downside of contract work. There is no guarantee that your boss gets contracts forever Sunlei Feb 2013 #19
I was ready when Reagan stole election. santamargarita Feb 2013 #5
Treason? Seriously? bowens43 Feb 2013 #9
Treason: - Rosco T. Feb 2013 #11
The House of Representatives IS the government, nt geek tragedy Feb 2013 #12
Tell that to the Tea Party. n/m Rosco T. Feb 2013 #13
It is no different than John2 Feb 2013 #15
Read the definition in the Constitution. hack89 Feb 2013 #16
The United States Constitution: onenote Feb 2013 #17
Treasonous Basterds! Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #20
uh, no. Treason is a specific charge and certain elements must be met cali Feb 2013 #23
Message auto-removed JeCaddi Feb 2013 #14
They have been in all but open rebellion for four years now. bluedigger Feb 2013 #18
this type of post is beyond ridiculous. It's nothing but mental masturbation. cali Feb 2013 #22
Agree! n/t aristocles Feb 2013 #27
Need to vote these GOP bums out! UCmeNdc Feb 2013 #25
I am. cliffordu Feb 2013 #26
The Sequester is a law passed by Congress and signed by the President. former9thward Feb 2013 #28
We should be sending pink slips to Congress. Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #29
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Spin alert: Projected military cuts are never harmful to contractors.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:24 PM
Feb 2013

All we hear is ...

"We can't meet our mission."

"Most of our aircraft will be unflyable."

"The troops will be without body armor and bullets."



You never hear "Raytheon will just have to suck it up this year."

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
3. Reality Check: My Wife is employed on a government contract.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:36 PM
Feb 2013

There are people out there behind the 'suck it up'.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. Well the nurses and teachers have been sucking it up for a while ....
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:47 PM
Feb 2013

... I'd live to see the Raytheon stockholders suck it up.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
6. Nice switch there. Lets talk about the employees.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:56 PM
Feb 2013

These are everyday people working for money to pay the rent/mortgage and provide for their families. What should happen to them?

What should happen to the 800,000 DOD Civil Servants who face a 20% pay cut? A 20% cut isn't easy to shake off.

I wish some here would accept the reality that normal people do work for the DOD and it's contractors. And if we lay them off there are no jobs out there for them. There is no imaginary green jobs network that will snatch them up and employ them.

If you still think they should suffer, then just come straight out and say it! Don't switch to CEOs and try to ignore the obvious.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Wherever the government cuts spending, real-life every day people feel it.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:59 PM
Feb 2013

Now I happen to value the work product of teachers and nurses more than I do the work product of defense industry workers. Note that I didn't say I value the workers more, just their work product.

If we have to make cuts, I'd rather see them from defense contractors than nurses and teachers. But that's just me.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
8. Teachers versus defense industry workers is a false dichotomy.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:25 PM
Feb 2013

Sure, we could make reductions in a smart manner that wouldn't reduce too many jobs, mainly ending the wars. But I would keep spending up and make it up with taxes.

Laying off hundreds of thousands wouldn't help our economy at all.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
10. my wife works in an environmental research position...
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:35 PM
Feb 2013

.. it's under the DoD but not 'Defense'. Maintaining Environmental Laws compliance..

so suck that up.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. So you DON'T want to cut the Pentagon budget?
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:33 AM
Feb 2013

Here's a clue. If that giant scarfing pig called the DoD gets its ridiculous budget cut (80% sounds like a good start), then yes, people will lose their jobs.

How bizarre that 2+2 is so tricky for some to compute.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
24. So you don't care about middle class jobs?
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:22 PM
Feb 2013

Where are these people going to go? I oppose austerity. If we want to make drastic cuts, we need to do it when we have an economy that can take in those laid off. And right now is not that time.

Oh, and DOD doesn't mean Republican. We're talking about major damage to democratic areas like northern VA.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. That is the downside of contract work. There is no guarantee that your boss gets contracts forever
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:24 AM
Feb 2013

edited to add, the DOD has for decades given many contracts as NO BID to some companies.

The DOD is finally going to have to aduit their bloated over spending and cut some of the fat to find funds for the critical contracts.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
11. Treason: -
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 03:37 PM
Feb 2013

- the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

if you don't think the GOP is trying to overthrow and destroy the government, you're not paying attention.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
15. It is no different than
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 05:58 PM
Feb 2013

1860 when they saw another elected President threatened their golden cow. And it is like Lincoln said then. It is up to them to make the choice. They are in the minority. This country made a choice which way they wanted to go. Those loopholes need to close. People did not consider that choice would be on the backs of anybody, but people who have not payed their fair share as citizens of this country.

What they want us to cut is Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which people paid into. None of it is wasteful spending. What has been wasteful spending are the loopholes given to people that hasn't produced in the economy. There have been no taxes raised in the last twelve years. And the Republicans are lying about Greece and Spain. Did anyone read the news from Spain about corruption. The same corruption happened in Greece and it is happening here. Maybe the DOJ need to start putting some people in jail. Start with Sheldon Adeleson and the Koch brothers. Confiscate everything they own too and sell it.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
17. The United States Constitution:
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:27 AM
Feb 2013

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Cutting the defense budget isn't treason. In fact, its something progressive Democrats have sought for many years.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
20. Treasonous Basterds!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:04 AM
Feb 2013

Kidding. I do wish people would get off the meme of screaming "treason" everytime someone else does something they don't like.

Sounds stupid when they do it. Sounds stupid when we do it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. uh, no. Treason is a specific charge and certain elements must be met
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:08 AM
Feb 2013

The dictionary? Seriously?

Response to Rosco T. (Original post)

former9thward

(32,019 posts)
28. The Sequester is a law passed by Congress and signed by the President.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:59 PM
Feb 2013

If you want to charge people with treason then you will have to charge everyone who voted for it, R and D, and the President who signed it. They all enabled it. Executive orders do not trump congressional laws. Orders can't change or cancel laws.

Military deployments are a threat to national security. Stopping them should be applauded.

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