2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBefore the Patriot Act became law the US Government had to
Get a court order to wiretap any US citizen anywhere in the world.
Correct?
think
(11,641 posts)kind of like larger missiles will increase accuracy....
Bannakaffalatta
(94 posts)Do you really believe they stuck to that rule? Always?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)At least before you had the Patriot Act you had some sort of starting definition of what was legal and what was not. With the Patriot act the legal definition is blurred.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)this has been going on for some time without warrants
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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what a surprise . . .
CC
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I recall that the Patriot act changed the rules and There was a scandal over it and everyone seems to have forgotten. Here is a link to the most recent amendments.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/R40138.pdf
security interests and civil liberties. Perhaps in response to such concerns, Congress established
sunset provisions which apply to three of the most controversial amendments to FISA. These
amendments include
Section 6001(a) of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act
(IRTPA), also known as the lone wolf provision, which simplifies the
evidentiary showing needed to obtain a FISA court order to target non-U.S.
persons who engage in international terrorism or activities in preparation
therefor, specifically by authorizing such orders in the absence of a proven link
between a targeted individual and a foreign power;8
Section 206 of the USA PATRIOT Act, which permits multipoint, or roving,
wiretaps (i.e., wiretaps which may follow a target even when he or she changes
phones) by adding flexibility to the manner in which the subject of a FISA court
order is specified;9 and
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Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act, which broadens the types of records and
other tangible things that can be made accessible to the government under
FISA.10
These amendments had been scheduled to expire on May 27, 2011.11 However, on the day before
they were set to expire,
This is a link to information about the FISA Act of 1978 that established the FISA court
https://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/
Info on the Patriot Act
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htm
This is what the ACLU has to say about it (Damn chilling)
http://www.aclu.org/reform-patriot-act
Section 206 of the Patriot Act, also known as "roving John Doe wiretap" provision, permits the government to obtain intelligence surveillance orders that identify neither the person nor the facility to be tapped. This provision is contrary to traditional notions of search and seizure, which require government to state with particularity what it seeks to search or seize. Section 206 should be amended to mirror similar and longstanding criminal laws that permit roving wiretaps, but require the naming of a specific target. Otherwise, it should expire.
Section 6001 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, or the so-called "Lone Wolf" provision, permits secret intelligence surveillance of non-US persons who are not affiliated with a foreign organization. Such an authorization, granted only in secret courts is subject to abuse and threatens our longtime understandings of the limits of the government's investigatory powers within the borders of the United States. This provision has never been used and should be allowed to expire outright.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)It seems everyone is prepared to discuss the symptoms but afraid to examine the actual problem.
Bannakaffalatta
(94 posts)Security-madness? Way too much money allocated to spying? A Congress and Senate that approve any kind of omnibus legislation without checking or caring whether it's constitutional? An electorate that lets them? Fear, loathing and pervasive paranoia?
How far down the causation-chain do you find "the problem"?
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Repeal the law
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)The Patriot Act was a knee-jerk, reactionary response to 9/11. It's been almost twelve years now -- long past the time when we should be sitting back and evaluating how much we're spending vs. how save we really are (or need to be) vs. what it's costing us with regard to our civil liberties.
Now the Republicans will scream "Soft of Terrorists" just as they spent 40 years screaming "Soft on Communism" but seriously, who gives a flying fuck what the Party of Palin thinks?