Why do we keep trying to save rubio's rear end?

[mgcgulfcoast]

right now he is twisting in the wind getting ripped by conservatives over immigration. LET THEM!! rubio is, or was, the likely 2016 nominee. why in the hell are we now going to pretend to hire 20,000 border agents just to try and save his sorry ass? i say let that jackass twist in the conservative anti-immigrant tornado.

[MrSlayer]

1. Shhh......because they're all on the same team.

They all really want the cheap labor that drives down American wages. This has nothing to do with being humane or any of that horseshit. The end game is to please the owners.

[mgcgulfcoast]

3. im not on rubios team. neither are you im sure

let the bill fail because of rush and hannity and then we will win big in 2014 and 2016.

[MrSlayer]

4. WE aren't.

The elected people are. 99% of them anyway.

[mgcgulfcoast]

17. then get them off rubios team.

[MrSlayer]

18. Oh ok. I'll pull out the millions in my pocket and buy them myself.

Money talks. It's the only language spoken in Washington since Reagan the Destroyer was swept into office by massive landslide victories. The game is pretty much over.

[xtraxritical]

16. MrSlayer is positively correct in his analysis, it's another labor breaker.

Only Congressional DINOs are for it. Reagan's amnesty kept Republicons in power long time.

[karynnj]

2. If that is happening, it is to save the immigration bill

(I say if, because I have not read of an addition that was added because of criticism.) They need 60 votes in the Senate and to win the House - they need 50% and they need Boehner to bring the vote to the floor.

So, if they added these, consider it a small Southwestern stimulus package.

It is true that if this passes, it could be both a major asset and a burden for Rubio. I don't know if there is enough time for conservatives to have accepted that they are closing the border better enough to justify the millions legalized (not American citizens, but legalized.) If the conservatives view this as "caving" to Obama, then he may not have a real chance at the nomination. If he does get the nomination, this would be a major accomplishment that he can brag about. That and the fact that he has been positioning himself as a serious foreign policy guy might make him the tea party's most electable person.

[mgcgulfcoast]

5. all the more reason to let him twist in the wind.

[karynnj]

6. Cut off your nose to spite your face?

Getting an immigration bill passed is of critical importance to millions and is important to the US living up to its values.

While I think being able to say that he was one of 8 or so people who made the bill possible is something he will have and which he should be proud of. If he runs and becomes the nominee, that will be something he has. It will not make him an impossible person to run against. He is after all a tea party person - with votes to prove it. I don't think when the facts are there that someone that extreme could win in a large number of states. He also supposedly (I never looked into it) has some personal baggage.)

[mgcgulfcoast]

7. we can pass it in 2014 without rubio

why do we have to lick his sorry ass?

[karynnj]

8. We have no idea what the House and Senate will look like in 2014

It is likely that the Senate will have more Republicans than now and very little usually happens in the 2 years before a Presidential election. If the votes are there now, it is important to make it happen now. It is not clear when the next real chance will happen.

This is NOT about helping Rubio - who, pass or not pass, will have some rock bed right wingers furious with him.

[mgcgulfcoast]

12. it all about caving and helping rubio

[karynnj]

15. I will have to respectfully disagree - neither of us will convince the other

I see what is one of the few real opportunities to pass something that will at least improve a very bad situation for millions of people. You see a possible "gain" for a potential Republican nominee. In a way, you are arguing that we help kill the bill. As I said the bill is a mixed blessing for a Republican. Remember how McCain completely did a 180 on his position to make himself viable in the primary? Remember Romney sounding idiotic speaking of self deportation? This is not a popular position for the right. (I suspect that it may mean that Rubio will NOT run in 2016 when it will be too fresh -- hoping to be in position when it is not something angering the base in 2020 or 2024. He is young enough that he can do that and be better positioned to win. )

[Arkana]

13. Not if we don't control both houses of Congress.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. They already screwed the LGBT community by removing protections from the bill, so whose nose and

whose face and who exactly is spiting us? How many concessions to Rubio and DiFI and Durbin does it take?
I was told that merely allowing discrimination against LGBT people would let the bill sail through unhindered, this was why it was good, according to centrists that they cut our protections. Now another concession, what's next?

[Bluenorthwest]

10. This bill is all about harming gay people and helping Rubio, that's why

If anyone who is a regular person benefits from it, I am glad for that. I hope they know the benefit was stolen from others who suffer injustices for their sakes.

[mgcgulfcoast]

11. exactly. let rubio the bigot twist

we can do better after 2014

[Proud Liberal Dem]

14. It's not about Rubio IMHO

it's about getting a bill passed. Admittedly, not a perfect one but it could lead to an improved situation for a lot of people in the long-term. I didn't think that "kill the bill" was a good strategy with health care reform and it's not a good one for immigration reform either, regardless of who is helping with it. If we're worried about politics, a win on this looks really good for President Obama and Democrats as well. What does it matter if Rubio gets to share a little credit on it or not (though I've had the feeling that he's been groping for an escape hatch from the start).

[xtraxritical]

19. Why is an "immigration bill" needed? Enforce existing laws, and especially, Everify.

It's the same labor breaking con job that Reagan used in the '80s to get votes for Republicans. This "immigration bill" push along with Republicans refusal to vote on the Presidents appointments to the National Labor Relations Board is a concerted effort to destroy unions and lower wages. There are too many youngsters here that are easy to wool pull with politically correct sounding bs.