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Massacure

(7,525 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:36 PM Jul 2013

If one state allows gay marriage, then don't they all?

Article 4, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states:

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.


What would happen if a two men or two women from California got married and purposely moved to a state like Texas so they could purposely sue on grounds of Article 4, Section 1?
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If one state allows gay marriage, then don't they all? (Original Post) Massacure Jul 2013 OP
Did you read the second sentence jberryhill Jul 2013 #1
Not until they're ordered to recognize legal marriages Warpy Jul 2013 #2
Is there currently any state Mr.Bill Jul 2013 #3
You've got it customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #4
Until Loving v. Virginia in 1967 many states did not recognize interracial marriages hack89 Jul 2013 #6
Congress MAY prescribe, not SHALL prescribe JayhawkSD Jul 2013 #5
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Did you read the second sentence
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jul 2013

Section 2 of DOMA remains intact. Section 2 purports to use what you just quoted:

"And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

in order to say that states do not have to give effect to same sex marriages in other states.

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
2. Not until they're ordered to recognize legal marriages
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:20 PM
Jul 2013

that have been performed in other states. You can bet the good folks in Dixie will flatly refuse to do that until and unless forced to by the USSC of the future.

Mr.Bill

(24,311 posts)
3. Is there currently any state
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

that does not recognize a heterosexual marriage that was performed in another state? (I think not) California recognizes my marriage that was performed in Nevada, and they would do the same with a divorce. Hasn't some sort of precedent been set? I'm sure someone will challenge it on these terms.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. You've got it
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jul 2013

We're one court challenge away from a FF&C recognition of equal marriage among all fifty states. I expect a SCOTUS decision on that within the next three years. In the meantime, it would be good if another quarter of the states would just see the light on marriage equality, and an additional quarter take the half-step of domestic partnership/civil union.

Then the SCOTUS only has to deal with about a dozen knuckle-dragging states that still cling to the literality of their ancient books.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. Until Loving v. Virginia in 1967 many states did not recognize interracial marriages
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jul 2013

Only 10 states have never passed anti-miscegenation laws since America's founding.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
5. Congress MAY prescribe, not SHALL prescribe
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jul 2013

States are required by this clause to acknowledge marriages performed in other states, and they did so until DOMA was passed, at which point some states passed laws decling to acknowledging gay marriages performed in other states because Section 3 of DOMA says that states are only required to honor marriages that are "between one man and one woman." customerservice guy is right: a challenge to the remaining portion of DOMA will rid us of that, because it is blatantly unconstitutional.

A federal claw could order gay marriage legal or illegal, the latter of which would likely be overturned, but it cannot permit one state to disregard the "public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings" of another state.

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