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JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:17 PM Jul 2013

WHAT'S THE CONSERVATIVE POSITION ON ZIMMERMAN? WHAT'S THE LIBERAL POSITION?

The Zimmerman trial gets more play on political talk shows and political forums than any other topic, but why is it even considered to be political?

There was an altercation, someone was shot dead, and there are various accounts, opinions, and speculation about what happened that will be sorted out in a court of law.

Yet some people are saying it's political and that the Republican position is “innocent,” while the Democratic position is “guilty.”

It seems to me that the conservative position has always been that Zimmerman is innocent and that the liberal position is to let the courts decide.

Which of these positions would the Founding Fathers have taken? “Innocent,” “guilty,” or “let the courts decide?”

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WHAT'S THE CONSERVATIVE POSITION ON ZIMMERMAN? WHAT'S THE LIBERAL POSITION? (Original Post) JEFF9K Jul 2013 OP
Mishandled from the beginning. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #1
What would the founding fathers have thought... bunnies Jul 2013 #2
The Position of the Founding Fathers... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author savalez Jul 2013 #4
Innocent till proven guilty decided by the courts SoutherDem Jul 2013 #5
YouTube JEFF9K Jul 2013 #13
If Zimmerman Was Black He'd Would Have Been Arrested On Site otohara Jul 2013 #16
Conservatives are afraid that a conviction will cast a shadow on the nation's Aristus Jul 2013 #6
Bigotry, guns, privilege, self-defense, stand your ground, etc. Hoyt Jul 2013 #7
YEP Cosmocat Jul 2013 #19
This case shouldn't be about politics but I'm sure there are left and right positions on it anyway. craigmatic Jul 2013 #8
Exactly, and unfortunately FAUX and CNN pundits have vilified Martin Myrina Jul 2013 #11
i agree. mgcgulfcoast Jul 2013 #18
We should consider laws against vigilantes patrolling the neighborhood with loaded weapons Hippo_Tron Jul 2013 #9
Conservative: Zimmy is a good guy with a gun protecting himself JoePhilly Jul 2013 #10
Conservative: We like guns. We like bullies. We hate blacks. polichick Jul 2013 #12
Sean Hannity gave Zimmerman a softball interview. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #14
Answer. BlueDemKev Jul 2013 #15
there shouldnt be political considerations in a trial mgcgulfcoast Jul 2013 #17
let's see how the republicans treat him after the trials done. He may be hired by them. Sunlei Jul 2013 #20

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. The Position of the Founding Fathers...
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jul 2013
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Response to JEFF9K (Original post)

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
5. Innocent till proven guilty decided by the courts
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:28 PM
Jul 2013

is my answer.

From the day it made the national media the two sides took their positions no matter any evidence and haven't swayed one bit.

However I can't agree the liberal side has been let the courts decide, it seem to me they feel he is guilty, I have heard a few who says he committed murder 1 because it was part of a master plan where he went hunting that day and Martin just happened to be the prey which walked across his crosshairs.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
13. YouTube
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

Check YouTube videos by the Young Turks and Thom Hartmann and notice how their views changed as more information came out.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
16. If Zimmerman Was Black He'd Would Have Been Arrested On Site
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jul 2013

instead of 45 days later. Being all chummy with the cops helped him out too.

The national media always takes sides in these big media trials - They thought
Casey Anthony was guilty, OJ was guilty...Was justice served in these two trials?


Aristus

(66,389 posts)
6. Conservatives are afraid that a conviction will cast a shadow on the nation's
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jul 2013

'Stand Your Ground' laws, and that due to the abuse or misapplication of the law, they may be repealed. I don't see that actually happening (gun nuts gotta be gun nuts), but they're worried that it will.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Bigotry, guns, privilege, self-defense, stand your ground, etc.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jul 2013

If police had arrested Zippie immediately, the case would not have been much of a national issue.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
8. This case shouldn't be about politics but I'm sure there are left and right positions on it anyway.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
11. Exactly, and unfortunately FAUX and CNN pundits have vilified Martin
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jul 2013

.... and defended Zimmerman.

While Al Sharpton & Lawrence O'Donnell have done the reverse.

mgcgulfcoast

(1,127 posts)
18. i agree.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jul 2013

quite frankly if i were on the jury i would be considering the evidence and my vote could go either way.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
9. We should consider laws against vigilantes patrolling the neighborhood with loaded weapons
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jul 2013

If the prosecution can't prove its case, Zimmerman will walk, as it should be. But even if he does walk, we have to consider that our current laws allowed Zimmerman to get out of his car and stalk Martin with a loaded weapon. Maybe Zimmerman wanted a confrontation so he could use that weapon and maybe he didn't. But either way, he got a confrontation. That signals to anyone who wants a confrontation that you can get one and get off scott free.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
10. Conservative: Zimmy is a good guy with a gun protecting himself
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:13 AM
Jul 2013

from a thug.

Liberal: Zimmy is a "cop wanna be" who decided the black kid was a "suspect" in a nonexistent crime, and was sure that he'd become a hero by apprehending said "suspect".

polichick

(37,152 posts)
12. Conservative: We like guns. We like bullies. We hate blacks.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jul 2013

Liberal: Whatever happened to the gains of the 1960s?

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
15. Answer.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jul 2013

The conservative position is that all blacks who wear a hood in public should be shot and killed.

mgcgulfcoast

(1,127 posts)
17. there shouldnt be political considerations in a trial
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

its supposed to be about facts only. i dont care for anyone on either side that wants to play politics with this.

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