2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Republicans Plan is to DELAY Obamacare's implementation...
The Republicans aren't stupid enough to shut down the federal gov't over Obamacare, because it would be a public relations disaster.
I believe that their goal with this dog-and-pony show about shutting down the federal gov't (besides appeasing the tea-baggers) is to keep Obamacare in the minds of the general public and stir up anxiety about how Jan. 1, 2014 is fast-approaching, etc. so they can gain leverage to try and force the White House to delay more and more parts of Obamacare to 2015 or 2016. Delaying the law's implementation will give the Rethugs enough time to capture the Senate and maybe the White House before people feel the benefits of the law. President Obama CANNOT give in to this! It's bad enough that he's already postponed two elements of the law for one year (and it's awkward that the White House can unilaterally decide to delay the implementation of a certain part of a law which has already passed Congress and been signed into law?).
Nevertheless, we need to get Obamacare fully-implemented on Jan. 1, 2014. This will give us time to work out any quirks and also give people the opportunity to start experiencing the benefits of the law before the 2014 midterms and the start of the 2016 presidential campaign.
NO MORE DELAYS. We've waited almost four years since the law was passed for it to be implemented, and the time is now.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)by the president.
And since the whole idea of GingrichCare -- forced insurance with no public option -- was first conceived by the republicans, and this trojan horse was accepted by "democrats" and put into law...
Chan790
(20,176 posts)is lead me to suspect that he hasn't the will to see the law he championed and which is named after him implemented.
No more delays. Let's rescind the delays already enacted. Let's get this shit up and running before the GOP has a chance to repeal it.
Igel
(35,293 posts)The program is in many ways coercive. It was billed as coercive at the time except it used nicer words.
So everybody has to have insurance or pay a fee--unless the government's going to subsidize you.
States or the Feds have to have exchanges set up.
Companies have to have a way to certify that they're providing the proper benefits--and if the benefits are too large, pay the penalty for overcompensating workers.
It goes on.
Any one of them can create an outcry. Any one of them can become a major PR mess.
So what if companies don't confirm that people have insurance. The IRS has to have a way to come back after 4/15 to penalize those people. If the companies filed the paperwork and the government screwed up, there'll be thousands or hundreds of thousands of people being hit with penalties that don't actually owe them. Bad PR.
No, he wants it to go smoothly. Better to trump the Constitution and provide more "prosecutorial discretion"--just enforce and follow the laws that suit him--than to suffer a big PR mess. Esp. in an election year. (And, on days when I'm cynical, I'd opine on whether this is better or worse than fairly innocuous signing statements, and conclude that it's worse.)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)with the possible exception of trump(ing) the Constitution and providing more prosecutorial discretion
rules on implementation of laws are solidly within the Executives Constitution charge, I agree with this.
I would only add that the delay in, as you mention, the coercive parts
the parts that corporate people, dont like, leaves in place all the stuff the people people do like.
Isnt that how, the wildly popular, Medicare and Social Security programs got their start
in fits and starts? Or, have we forgotten that?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,399 posts)I think that he is trying to soften the opposition to it by trying to be flexible- though there is certainly a concern that he might wind up being TOO flexible to the point that the law becomes toothless in some respects. But at least most of the major elements of the law are still on track, with the remainder to follow within a year.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Those parts that are being delayed effect very few people right; while leaving in place, the parts that affect the vast majority of people and are wildly popular. Right?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)delaying its implementation. At least the mandates for companies. Individual mandates remain. When he passed it without a public option, meaning it is the plan originally proposed by Heritage foundation, the result was pre-determined. Big win for Big Insurance.