2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoesn't Ted Cruz also have Cuban citizenship?
And wouldn't he need to renounce that too?
dballance
(5,756 posts)wildman1612
(1 post)Cuba DOES NOT recognize DUAL CITIZENSHIP of any kind. Especially one of an American senator.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)onenote
(42,383 posts)For the reasons explained elsewhere in this thread.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)he won't renounce his citizenship from Wingnutistan.
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)wingnuttery is a deeply ingrained condition. Renouncing it would be a process. Cleansing of the mind body and spirit.lol
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Why would he have Cuban citizenship?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Under U.S. law in effect at the time, a child born outside the U.S. with one U.S. citizen parent and one noncitizen parent was a U.S. citizen at birth if the citizen parent met the residency requirement.
If Cuba had exactly the same law, then Cruz would have been every bit as much a Cuban citizen as a U.S. citizen.
Cruz's father didn't become a U.S. citizen for many years after leaving Cuba.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)There is no way Cuba grants citizenship to emigres. They are seen as traitors to the revolution and the nation.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)BainsBane
(53,003 posts)Wasn't he? He was an exile. What do you suppose happens to exiles who try to return to Cuba?
My sister-in-law is a Canadian citizen even though she was born in China and lives in the US. She immigrated and obtained Canadian citizenship.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)They have to apply for citizenship in another country and file paperwork renouncing their former country's citizenship status. Ted Crew's father was still a Cuban national living in exile.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)and I'm guessing you may not know Canada's either, nor do you know what forms he did or didn't file. All of this smacks of birtherism. It's entirely unnecessary. The man is an idiot, regardless of citizenship.
GP6971
(31,017 posts)Is too generous.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Cruz's father went from Cuba to the U.S. in 1957 and has lived here ever since, except for what appears to have a comparatively short stint in Alberta, during which the future Senator was born. According to this story in The New York Times, August 1, 2012:
Mr. Cruzs parents are central to the personal narrative he tells, how he got so devoted to his conservative brand of freedom. His father, also Rafael, now a Baptist pastor, fled Cuba in 1957 with $100 sewn into his underwear and worked his way through the University of Texas. His mother, Eleanor, was the first in her family to finish college, at Rice, and ran an energy company. They returned to Texas when he was a child, and he graduated from a Baptist high school in Houston.
More recently, the Dallas Morning News has investigated the question. In the course of this story about Cruz's plan to renounce his Canadian citizenship, the paper reported:
I don't know if there'd be any basis in Cuban law for saying that the younger Cruz also has a Cuban citizenship he might want to renounce, but I don't think we can just dismiss the question by assuming that his father did not have Cuban citizenship.
BainsBane
(53,003 posts)as all Cuban exiles do. This country, Florida especially, is full of people born in Cuba. Ever know one who went back? Cubans have special protection under US immigration law and have a fast track to citizenship.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)which I am guessing is sometime after Ted's birth.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Here's another: ''Which country is he rooting for on the Senate Intelligence and Foreign Relations Committees, Canada, Cuba or US?''
- Gee, maybe someone should contact the NSA and see who this guy's been talking to. He could be The Saskatchurian Candidate.....
K&R
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)In theory his father could've requested citizenship for him but he would've had to have renounced both his Canadian and US citizenship.
And now my two last Google searches are going to be really interesting... "cuban citizenship" "renounce US citizenship." (Wasn't sure you could renounce US citizenship. edit: children can't, so it's really not viable for him to have ever been a Cuban citizen.)
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Article 28: Cuban citizenship is acquired by birth or through naturalization. Article 29: Cuban citizens by birth are:
a) those born in national territory, with the exception of the children of foreign persons at the service of their government or international organizations. In the case of the children of temporary foreign residents in the country, the law stipulates the requisites and formalities;
b) those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and on an official mission;
c) those born abroad, one of whose parents at least is Cuban, who have complied with the formalities stipulated by law;
d) those born outside national territory, one of whose parents at least is Cuban and who lost their Cuban citizenship provide they apply for said citizenship according to the procedures stated by law;
e) foreigners who, by virtue of their exceptional merits won in the struggles for Cubas liberation, were considered Cuban citizens by birth.
His father was not on an official mission and almost certainly did not comply with the formalities stipulated by law. Also, Ted Cruz probably never applied for said citizenship on his own.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Both my parents were born in Cuba but i was born here in the US, and they decided not to try to pass on Cuban citizenship to me. I once e-mailed a Cuban diplomat to talk about my possibly obtaining Cuban citizenship and he told me at this point it would be a pretty lengthy process and would have to be approved by immigration authorities in Cuba, in the mean time i use my US Passport to enter Cuba every time i visit and am always treated as such.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Hospitals don't ask for proof when they fill out that form do they?
DFW
(54,056 posts)You have to go to your embassy to register the birth abroad of a citizen.
It's no big deal, but you have to take the initiative. I did it with both my daughters, who were born in Germany. I just took the birth docs from the German hospital to the American embassy, along with photos and my passport. In less than 90 minutes, I had their US birth certificates, US passports and social security numbers. I'm sure it's more cumbersome now, but in the 80s, it was routine. In the case of Cruz, if his mom registered his birth with US consular officials soon after he was born, then he would have been issued a US birth certificate on the spot. There would have been no record of him as a US citizen if she didn't take that step at some point.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)But then the birthers even said that if Obama was not born in Kenya his fathetvwas thus making Barack a Kenyan citizen. Now their chickens have come home to roost and now they are running from their words
treestar
(82,383 posts)If a Democratic candidate had this background, the Republicans would be ranting about how one with two loyalties should not be President.