2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAm I wrong to say that the Obama Administrations deserves a grade of C- in defending the
Affordable Healthcare Act against partisan attacks.. They seem to take forever to address the lies which have been relentlessly thrown at Obamas plan.. I mean really... If they are still ironing out bumps in the program, why are they not out front of these issues...It pisses me off..
I know hes been out on the road recently, but from what I have seen he doesnt address well enough all the specific crap that has been thrown at him.
Well I guess that is why he is considered the adult in the room..but am I getting pissed at these lying
pieces of shit on the right....
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)They deserve a D.
Not in defending anything. But rather in keeping their promises.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)And I'm being charitable.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)can't get free health care?
Show me the part of the ACA that says there are not death panels.
Show me the part of the ACA that says the government won't have the IRS throw you in jail if you don't get insurance.
And while you are at it ... create more jobs, end the war in Afghanistan, fix Egypt and the rest of the middle east, prove the NSA didn't put a GPS tracker on my dog, find bigfoot, cure obesity, make college free, stop world hunger, prove that it was you who did not take too long to respond to Katrina .... oh .... and bring me a sandwich.
On every topic, including the ACA, the media is more than happy to let false statements stand because its good for generating controversy. And controversy is the only thing that will get the American people to stop watching Dancing with the Stars for a few minutes to follow politics.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)There is a provision that says that the IRS cannot penalize a taxpayer for not paying this particular tax. There are planty of laws that say that while they can imprison you for fraudulent filing of taxes, they can't throw you in jail for not paying taxes. Obamacare specifies that IRS can't penalize you, financially or otherwise, for not paying the insurance penalty.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Half the TV pundits tell me ... They say its unclear if that really protects you from being thrown in a FEMA camp ... Where in the ACA does it say no FEMA camps .... why hadnt Obama given a press conference ending his FEMA camps ... hummmmmm???
Sorry, could not resist.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)...if you believe Fox News there is not much hope for you.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)I mean I understand the faith concept.. That the american people will rise above the lies...But faith aint nearly enough.. ..
Tseko
(26 posts)I like to think that President Obama has more than a modicum of respect for the intelligence of the average American and I think he has faith in the American people to see through the lies.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Almost half the country voted for McCain/Palin.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Maybe they enjoy losing.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)The comment I responded to said that "Obama has more than a modicum of respect for the intelligence of the average American" and I repiled that "that is silly." My point was that is is silly for him to "have respect for the opinion" of a people half of whom voted mfor McCain/Palin. I was remarking that people who voted for McCain/Palin should not have their opinion respected and that Obama was silly to do so. Get it now?
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Like you.
So it's silly to suggest that these citizens should not have their opinion respected.
End of discussion.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Voting for McCain/Palin was a good idea?
I love the arrogance displayed in the "End of discussion." The discussion is ended because you have delivered such a sagacious, devasting and crushing reply that there cannot possibly be any response, and besides, you are by God in charge and will decide whether the discussion should continue or not and have decided it should not. I agree that it should not, because you have rendered it utterly inane.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)In an ideal world, that is.
So suggesting they should (and more so, the POTUS) is silly.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)running defense against Rs 10 million liar medias. To hell w/ that.
polynomial
(750 posts)One of the most difficult things to blend in the debate about these issues is the mood. Especially my own mood, however, at the same time trying to fathom the other persons mood is not always easy. Or reflecting to perceive something thats good, avoiding this left right rhetoric usually jammed in by current hate radio, cable, satellite journalist.
From my view we all balance through the kinetics and conservational thoughts in the political flux as time moves forward as what we might be considered as liberal or conservative. Trying to be careful to avoid the axis of evil America rides on or begin to understand the pilot driver of that chariot was a mad man, or men leading the most corrupt teleological industrial economy of the age; this communications era is a Claude Elwood Shannon era. Not necessarily bad!!!
Bioinformatics, signal processing, statistical inference, natural language processing, cryptography, neurobiology, evolution, of molecular codes, ecology, thermal physics, quantum computing, plagiarism detection, other forms of data analysis; NSA having the capability to do this all in secret is form my view astounding, a gift to tyranny, the disintegration of what the basic in the constitution represent.
As many more understand secret judges, secret courts, secret legislation, secret senate, secret congress, or the ultimate secret transparency is in full swing in America. In a Democracy the people have to know what they are voting for so it is not a surprise many in the south that have been completely brain bleached out of reason to know some simple current history is.
President Obama is doing a huge balance act to prevent that Republican push back forged with the spear of bias. The Republican intellectuals know how to temper and anneal that dark composition the darkest opacity the roaming wander, the darkest carbon cool romantic wrapper. Its done with free speech money. Actually, these intellectuals far right one percenters created this culture for the means to their end, the perfect Gaussian leash.
So what is my point, President Obama is staying the course while the Bush bot are having fits. From my view the philosophy from Obama could very well be stay the course on healthcare an excellent path. Simply saying health Care is the best advice to stay the course, but second best advice is to get the hell out of the wars. Avoid anything where it suggests the black man did it is a good approach. The Republicans are imploding so much they will use every neurotic political trick to win the next election. Or, the Republican will convince all that is intrinsically Republican obstructions will be twisted to street slang in that the n@#$%r did it.
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)If this is not an historic moment, I don't know what is.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Lots of idiots out there who need to hear "A.......B.......then C...."
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)open. That's a recipe for failure.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)to change the messaging but it appears like they are flat footed, or there isn't a sense of urgency to spread the word about the ACA.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)I just dont get it.. Is it because hes just one of those laid back guys and believes it will all work out in the end? Weve read that he can be a pistol behind closed doors.. But WTF P.O.? Let it Roll! PLease..
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)that the ACA is a positive for Americans. But their understanding and inner intricacies of the Affordable Care Act is their own downfall because they assume the rest of Americns can discern and pick out what the ACA is about.
Frankly, that is a grave miscalculation and it is obvious that the Republicans are running with misinformation as a result.
It is not that I am completely against the ACA. In fact, I know the good and bad portions of the ACA in fine detail, which is not characteristic of most American's knowledge level when it comes to public policy. I also know that delays do happen (not happy about some of the ACA delays), but most Americans don't understand this side of public policy. And I also know that the weaker portions of the ACA can be fortified in due time as that is what happened to the Clear Air and Clear Water Acts respectively.
However, if the DC bubble does exist, this is the textbook example of it because it feels like that administration is dragging their feet about their milestone public policy that defines this administration.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Lets put it this was I realize it helps a huge amount of people who cant afford any healthcare at all.
But what about for instance a family of four 2 children.. Mom and dad make enough money to keep family with a roof, meals, clothes etc.. But because they are in early50s can not afford Insurance. Their jobs do not offer insurance... Can Obamacare help them?
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)And they could've done it before the teabaggers had a chance to completely control the conversation.
But they decided to keep the powder dry, alas...
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)I thought thats how it worked...So If Im Obama, I would have asked those guys to do a premptive
strike..
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)And I was told I was spreading negativity about the ACA. The left needs some Koch brothers like power players to step up.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)We expected and should have received better.