Take the deal, Democrats.

[blueclown]

We are two days away from a default. The difference between the Senate and House versions are miniscule at best. The only way to prevent this type of brinksmanship is to win the House in 2014. Let us not forget that this bill doesn't include a delay of the individual mandate, which started the government shutdown in the first place. We have seen that certain segments of the Republican Party do not have a soul. That we have to accept.

This is not a win vs. lose battle. There are real lives and jobs at stake.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

1. No. nt

[darkangel218]

2. lol!!

[Buddha_of_Wisdom]

3. No.

The Republicans are about to lose, so we'll just hold tight, thanks.

They'll concede, and then we'll get those fucknuts out by 2014 or sooner.

[displacedtexan]

4. No. The republicans will forever own this disaster.

Until this morning, I was hoping a deal could be done; however, it appers that republicans can't learn until they experience something firsthand. Remember the Dust Bowl? Did Oklahoma fix that by itself?

Not hardly.

[Mz Pip]

5. No more concessions

Clean CR or nothing. This could have been ended long ago if Boehner had the balls.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Hell NO.

[Avalux]

7. Fuck no are you crazy?

Yes real lives and jobs are at stake, but so is the future of this country. If Dems and Obama give in to the demands of extortionists, it's all over for all of us.

[CanonRay]

8. No. Fucking. Way.

Upholding the constitution is more important than saving face for Republican idiots. I know what's at stake. If we give now, we'll never ever get it back.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

9. I'm going to put this as succinctly as possible:

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[JoePhilly]

10. No.

[ffr]

11. Extortion cannot be rewarded.

Stalemate.

[kydo]

12. same old bad deal NO!

[blueclown]

13. I see the same strains of opposing everything from the other side on DU

That I see on FreeRepublic.

Now, obviously DU is right on the issues. But the bottom line is that the House GOP has showed a willingness to default on our debts. We cannot let that happen. Democrats must be the better people and not inflict pain on other people like the GOP has shown the willingness too..

[Arkana]

15. No. You give into extortionists once and they will take you for everything.

We can't let them have milk and cookies for bad behavior.

[Chan790]

23. Actually...we have to let that happen.

The best deal they were going to get was the Senate deal. It was a reasonable deal, a painful deal but one that both sides could (and had) compromised to...and when they rejected it, they broke any chance of a resolution. They own this mess now.

It's the last best offer they're going to get...they just need to decide if they're going to accept it now or after they go over the cliff. There isn't going to be a better deal for them, but there might be a worse one if they don't take this one.

[HERVEPA]

27. False equivalency BS

[winter is coming]

38. You still don't get it. The House GOP is *determined* to default.

They see it as a road to impeachment. Save your breath and buckle up. It's gonna be a rough ride.

[polichick]

39. Thinking like that is exactly how we got here - Obama thought Dems should be...

"the better people" over and over again, so Republicans got bolder and bolder. Has to stop now.

[Gothmog]

14. No

This is not the time to give into these idiots

[hamsterjill]

16. No. Absolutely NOT!!!

You cannot reward bad behavior and then expect that behavior to be better the next time around.

Yes, there are certainly lives and jobs at stake, but if the Tea Idiots get their way, do you think that government will ever go back to the way it was? Won't there soon be even MORE lives and jobs at stake? If the Tea Idiots get concessions, they will only be emboldened to in the future hold anything they don't like hostage until they get their way.

Hold the line, Dems!

[Sunlei]

17. NO.do not give republican terrorists an inch!! or we will see this 'tactic' forever!!

[Laelth]

18. No, thank you.

We can not continue to be held hostage by the debt ceiling. This must end now.

-Laelth

[SamYeager]

19. No.

If you let bullies get away with bullying, they will never stop the bullying.

[polichick]

20. Dems taking bad deals is how we got here.

[phantom power]

28. +oo

[hrmjustin]

21. NO, you can not appease the Nazi's.

[beerandjesus]

22. I salute you for your courage in posting that, since you must have anticipated the response

Seriously, hats off.


That said, NO. As polichick said, Dems taking bad deals is what got us here in the first place. Time to end the cycle.

[hedgehog]

24. +1 on all accounts.

[leftyohiolib]

25. note to self. dont vote for blueclown in any election

[Myrina]

26. Not only no, but HELL FUCKING NO.

n/t

[Buddaman]

29. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Jackpine Radical]

30. Bullshit.

(Plagiarizing myself from another thread--

I shudder to think of the harm that will come from a default. There are no good answers; if the Republicans have their way, people will suffer and die. If they continue their tantrum while Democrats stand firm and let the default happen, people will suffer and die. But I think fewer will be hurt in the latter case. It's sort of a harm-reduction paradigm. However, anyone--including me--who is confronted by the immediacy of lost income will be sorely tempted to sell their more distant future in exchange for immediate relief. It's just human to respond that way. I understand it, and my empathy and compassion are fully activated. But it's sort of like the case of a compassionate surgeon who wants to do you a grave injury with his scalpel now in order to give you some prospect of a better quality of life in the future.

[lapfog_1]

31. Once you pay the Dane geld, you never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
   For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
   You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
   No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
   And the nation that plays it is lost!"

i.e. if you pay the ransom, they only return in 6 weeks to ask for more.

[M.G.]

32. HELL NO!

No, no, and no.

Capitulate here and we'll be doing this again, and again, and again ad infinitum.

Honestly, I wouldn't even want the Democrats to threaten default for a policy gain, assuming they held the house.

[scheming daemons]

33. senate deal? yes. house deal? no way

Senate deal gives up nothing of consequence. Take it.

[dkf]

34. What is the deal?

[graywarrior]

35. Nope. No. Nada. Nein. Naddo. Naw.

[MFM008]

36. whoa Nelly

the gop wants to take away the ability to do whatever needed to stop defaulting. Lets just see what happens.

[DonViejo]

37. No. We don't negotiate with terrorists or blackmailers.

[TeamPooka]

40. seriously considering putting you on ignore just for this post. nt

[Downtown Hound]

41. If we take the deal now, we'll be back here next year, in two years

or whenever. We cannot allow this kind of hostage taking to go rewarded.

[karynnj]

42. No -- at minimum the nonsense about Congressional/cabinet insurance needs to be removed

The staffers - and even the Congressmen took their jobs with a known salary package. This included the government paying for the lion's share of their insurance. If this passes, all those people take what is really a HUGE pay cut. I don't know the numbers, but for those with family insurance the cut could be over $20,000.

These professionals - like their peers in private industry - considered what they were offered when they took the job.

This is playing into a RW LIE that Congress exempted itself - when they didn't. They are now pretending that the federal government - their employer - paying a portion is somehow "special treatment". This is completely unfair.

Now, I know that many will say that the Congressmen and their staff make more money than lots of Americans - they do. However, the vast majority of them could make more money -- and get health insurance - in private jobs. This action could cause the loss of many of the best staffers.

[Xyzse]

43. Hell No...

WTF? That is unacceptable and sets a bad precedent that Congress could hijack our ability to pay for any sort of crazy side project they want. Seriously, you see Paul Ryan trying to tack on Abortion in to something like this now.

No, Just HELL NO. They shouldn't get concessions in regards to anything that deals with us paying our bills.

They made a huge drama out of something that should not be in dispute.

[DireStrike]

44. Nope. Measure forbidding extraordinary debt ceiling solutions is "minuscule"?!

That measure proves that they want to do this again, and they want MORE leverage next time. And it would grant it to them.

Allowing them to do this is worse than default.

[ellie]

45. No, no deal.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

46. I am a federal employee, and I say FUCK NO!

NO FUCKING DEAL! PERIOD!

[Marthe48]

47. PBO said: Open the govt and pass debt ceiling

and we will talk about anything after that. We have to stick to that. President Obama is doing his job: preserve, protect, defend the Constitution of the U.S.A. The Republicans in the House who are refusing to pass the bills are not upholding their oath which is: "I will support the Constitution of the U.S.A.". They have to a person, broken their oath the these United States and President Obama knows it, and we should all know it. I don't want to make PBO's battle a lonely one. There is too much at stake.

So, NO!

[Marthe48]

48. OWS s/b happy

if we default. I think the teabaggers are doing their heavy lifting for them. And wouldn't the tb's just be so PO's if they realized who their new allies are?

[Mr.Bill]

49. Not only no to this deal,

but also Obama should be adding new demands every day if not every hour. The rats are cornered.

[walkerbait41]

50. Hell no

We have lost haft our income and today we may lose the other haft, we will be hurting but hell no to any deal with the teabaggers