Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:01 PM May 2012

Salon's Steve Kornacki: Ron Paul's takeover plot

Don't look now, but he's racking up delegates at under-the-radar contests -- and Republicans are officially spooked.

http://www.salon.com/2012/05/03/the_ron_paul_convention_takeover_plot/



The RNC isn’t just nervous about Nevada. In the past few weeks, as Romney cemented his hold on the nomination and the media turned its attention to the general election, Paul supporters have wreaked havoc at numerous district caucuses and state conventions, producing some startling results. For instance, 20 of Iowa’s 28 national convention delegates will likely be Paul supporters – even though the Texan finished third in the state’s January caucuses with 21 percent of the vote. And 20 of the 24 delegates selected in district caucuses in Minnesota recently are Paul backers, even though he was trounced by Rick Santorum in the state’s February caucuses. Similar stories have emerged from Louisiana, Colorado and Massachusetts, with the list likely to grow.

This is possible because of the GOP’s multi-tier delegate selection process. In many caucus states, the “official” results that most people saw this winter were from nonbinding straw polls conducted in conjunction with precinct-level caucuses. But when it comes to choosing national convention delegates, the real action is at district caucuses and state conventions. In the past, this distinction hasn’t mattered much, but for the Paul forces – who lack the numbers to win statewide primaries but have the devotion to pack any room, anywhere, at any time – it has offered an inviting loophole. When turnout is small and no one is looking, the Paul folks can win, and that’s what’s been happening in a number of states.

To Paul die-hards, this will all culminate in a surprise for the ages in Tampa, with the political world suddenly realizing that Romney actually doesn’t have the 1,144 delegates needed to win the nomination, thereby allowing Paul to extract major concessions or even steal the nomination for himself.

This isn’t going to happen, but the actual number of delegates that Paul will control is a real mystery at this point, and the final number could be a lot bigger than anyone has expected. Besides the pledged delegates he’s won so far and the extras he’s collecting through caucuses and state conventions, Paul will also have some supporters disguised as Romney delegates. To understand how this works, just consider his campaign’s mischief in Massachusetts, where Romney won 72 percent of the primary vote – and with it, a monopoly on the state’s pledged convention delegates. But to determine who would fill those pledged delegate slots, the state GOP held caucuses recently, and the Paul crowd came out in force, gobbling up 16 of the 19 available positions. In how many other states will this happen, or has it already happened?

11 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. For all his "outsider" and "renegade" street cred from the pundits
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:21 PM
May 2012

Why hasn't Paul ever had the stones to just break off from the party and just join the libertarians or run as an independent?? (we all know the answer to that, but still...)

And with the "Paul's people are setting up the stage for him to swipe the nomination"-talking point gaining steam, do any of these pundits think the party bosses would allow him to be nominee and upstage their guy, no matter how many delegates he has? Even if Paul ended up with 90+ percent of all delegates, the party bosses would just pull some 11th hour change of the nominating rules...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. Paul never endorsed McCain. This year is a dry run to help Rand Paul who will run and fail
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:51 PM
May 2012

in 2016 but be very strong in 2020.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. Paul never endorsed McCain, but he wasn't bold enough to pick anyone else, either
Thu May 3, 2012, 06:03 PM
May 2012

I remember that bit of hype leading up to the countdown of Paul's "endorsement"...I'm sure the Libertarian Party loved his generic, noncommittal "just-vote-for-some-random-third-party" speech...

Paul is batshit insane, but to his credit he is smart, clever, manipulative and conniving to the level of his bigger-name peers. I just shake my head that so many people where I live still buy into his myth...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. He made a general endorsement of 4 third party candidates but in the end endorsed the Constitutional
Fri May 4, 2012, 01:10 AM
May 2012

Party guy.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
7. Its much much much worse for Romney
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:46 PM
May 2012


Why have the Ron Paul people been able to do this?

Because Romney used pop up campaigns rather than establishing state by state Romney organizations



http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romneys-swat-team-closes-out-the-primaries

But the decision to run what are effectively pop-up campaigns in the primary states has the downside that when Williams, Donlin, and their team depart, they leave little behind. Romney never built the sort of large volunteer operation Obama’s 2008 primary race assembled in important swing states like Florida and Ohio, and as the general election approaches, he’s likely to be starting from scratch. Some local Obama offices, by contrast, have remained open continuously for over four years. And Obama’s well-funded effort is already building for November. When Romney’s staff moved out of its office in Iowa after a virtual tie in the caucuses in January, the Obama campaign opened an office in Romney’s vacant headquarters.



So Romney's people leave the state and Ron Paul's work the system and are able to get the delegates.

After the primary is all finished Romney will not have state organizations and Obama will have organizations that have been working for 5 years.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
10. OMFG, how I would love a brokered convention where neither Romney
Thu May 3, 2012, 07:24 PM
May 2012

nor Paul can secure the nomination on the first ballot. The battle between unctuous used-car salesman (Romney) and crazy out-of-the-attic uncle (Paul) would just be about the best summer entertainment ever (only second to the Watergate summer that culminated in Nixon's resignation).

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Salon's Steve Kornacki: ...