2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)READY FOR HILLARY 2016
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I think she would make an AMAZING Supreme Court Justice.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And that woman has worked her ass off for this country...that isnt a Dynasty... .thats called earning your stripes..
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Her resume is impressive: United States Secretary of State, Senator and First Lady.
It is that "First Lady" bit that I have a problem with: she is the immediate family of a former President of the United States.
That is "dynasty" and I don't like it. I don't like it with Bush folk, I don't like it with Kennedys, and I don't like it with Clintons.
We do not have monarchies in this country. I do not want immediate family members of any President (and by "immediate" I mean if you spent "family holidays" hanging with your family at the White House / had to have Secret Service protection assigned because of the close familial relationship) I don't want you taking a crack at the "family business" because I believe this leads to inevitable corruption / cronyism.
That is my opinion. It does not denigrate her service to this country.
My other issue is that she will be in her 70s during her term (if elected), and "too old" is what comes to mind for me with that age range. Jeb Bush is going to be 63 at that point, and frankly, he should be thinking about retirement and NOT running for office.
Those are my opinions. Your mileage may vary.
demwing
(16,916 posts)And is it really a dynasty when we're talking 2 family members?
I believe you are making an unreasonable restriction on voters. If the only way they get power is through family name, that's one thing, but Hillary has en excellent resume of her own accomplishments.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)The issue becomes "voter familiarity with the name" where the people vote for the name because it is familiar instead of the record of achievements.
Anyone who looked at Bush Junior's achievements - multiple bankrupt companies with "investments" from rich friends of his father who were then miraculously placed in positions of power in a very corrupt Bush Senior administration, drugs, admitted ACTIVELY DRINKING alocholic with drunk driving convictions "erased" by political connections, and a lack of intellectual curiosity that was just plain embarrassing - would not have thought that nitwit was a good candidate for dog catcher, let alone President of the United States, and yet he managed to bring Cheney within arms reach of the nuclear codes, and wasn't impeached when he failed in the primary duty of the President ("protect us" even though video has him sitting there "not being President" when told "Mr. President the country is under attack!" (Thank God we didn't have nuclear weapons raining down on us while he sat there frozen like a lump of terror - those fifteen minutes of stupid could have ended up with half the planet wiped out - sigh.)
But the name was familiar, along with "President Bush" -- and Senior was ... crafty. Former CIA Director while Kennedy was assasinated, he somehow nearly ended up President when Reagan was shot (and no one in teh halls of power thought to ask Mr. Bad-Luck to step down?), and we are a complacent country where marketing classes discuss how to get people to "buy your brand: just repeat it a bunch of times."
And yes, Hillary can do it, too, because we have had "President Clinton" already. Yes, she is accomplished, and has done a good job during her lifetime, but she is OLD ENOUGH to be a grandmother now, and really, I don't want Grandma in the White House. (Same issue with Grandpa Jeb Bush.) I want someone young enough to stay up all night reading briefings so they can ask intelligent questions, where I don't have to question if we are looking at age-related dementia issues if they forget someone's name, or whatever - and yes, I know darn good and well those things can be covered up, because Reagan.
The bigger problem is the "family friends" - the same people end up in the halls of power, and that creates cronyism and corruption influences. Do I think the Democrats are like the Republicans with this? Not as bad, but I'd prefer to have "fresh blood" with new ideas, thank you.
Let the Baby Boomers enjoy their well earned retirement (including Hillary). If she wants to keep working (and let's face it, women live longer than men, so there is that), put her on the Supreme Court. If not, let her stay one of the powerful, behind-the-scenes party leaders.
I don't want "huband and wife" or "parent-and-child" or "sibling" Presidents.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)If politics doesnt work out she could probably go back to her old job with Walmarts board of directors.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)So....
somebody-else
(14 posts)Too many sheeple like Hillary because Clinton is her last name, or has "Dem" after it, or because she's a woman.
Check the facts before jumping on her bandwagon.
http://www.alternet.org/world/5-most-hawkish-positions-embraced-hillary-clinton
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/ralph-nader-rails-against-corporatist-militarist-hillary-clinton-shes-a-menace-to-the-usa/
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/11/quiz-said-hillary-clinton-benjaim-netanyahu/
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)I'm not sure any nominee can get past this Senate.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)She scares them.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)regarding corporate power. I'm ready to be enlightened on that.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)A) She doesn't want to be a Justice.
B) She's in her mid 60s, it's better to appoint someone a tad younger.
C) She may still want to run for president.