Barack is suddenly pro-Keystone now. How long before he abandons the LGBT community?

[BP2]

Just today he said: "Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positive for the American people." WTF?? As a anti-Keystone donor and volunteer, I feel betrayed.

Back in 2008, Barack said "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." The he "evolved" in early 2012 when Joe forced him to.


It's about TRUST. And right now, I don't trust Barack.

[Yupster]

1. He will say

he was never against it, he just wanted it properly studied. Shazaam - it's now been properly studied.

[Kelvin Mace]

2. "I feel betrayed"

Join the club.

It is so damned depressing...

[SCliberal091294]

3. Unless it gives him leverage so the repukes can't get rid of the EPA.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Full Discussion of How What The OP Says in this thread is a Lie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025772710#post28

Carry on.

[jaysunb]

5. Why spoil the party ??? LOL ! n/t

[BP2]

7. Excuse me - a LIE? A clear "no" about Keystone would have been easy for him to say. eom

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Yes, a lie.

But I won't argue with you about it. Once I determine that somebody is not acting in good faith, as your OP makes clear to me, I am done with them. But I will provide the full quotation (and I'm glad somebody else did as well) in order to let others judge for themselves. It's more honesty than you gave Obama.

[freshwest]

14. He's said NO to every budget since 2009 with it tacked on, and the hate continues. EOM.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Yup

"He could have just said NO," they moan. Why should he? He has a clear and nuanced position on a comprehensive plan for greater energy independence. Here's what these haters don't want to admit: greater energy independence along the lines of Obama's vision is a POSITIVE thing, and they can't deny that. Communicating that larger vision (which includes environmental criteria) and situating Keystone relative to it is his fucking job, especially since the Keystone promoters keep trying to say it is part of such a strategy. Of course, dishonest arguments can always be crafted by pulling this or that out of a larger context, but people who do such things are not operating in good faith, and should be called out on their dishonesty, as this OP (and the one it fan clubbed from in GD) was.

[trueblue2007]

11. is here ......op nice try but you lose

What he REALLY said was:

So, let me just pick up on Keystone. There’s an independent process. It’s moving forward. And the -- I’m going to let that process play out. I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with? There’s a pending case before a Nebraska judge about some of the sighting. The process is moving forward. And I’m just going to gather up the facts.

I will note while this debate about Canadian oil has been raging, keeping in mind this is Canadian oil, this isn’t U.S. oil. While that debate has been raging, we’ve seen the -- some of the biggest increases in American oil production and American natural gas production in our history.

We are closer to energy independence than we’ve ever been before, or at least as we’ve been in decades. We are importing less foreign oil than we produce for the first time in a very long time. We’ve got a 100 year supply of natural gas that if we responsibly tap, puts us in the strongest position when it comes to energy of any industrialized country around the world.

When I travel to Asia or I travel to Europe, their biggest envy is the incredible, homegrown, U.S. energy production that is producing jobs and attracting manufacturing, because locating here means you’ve got lower energy costs.

OBAMA: So, our energy sector is booming. And I’m happy to engage Republicans with additional ideas for how we can enhance that.

I should note that our clean energy production is booming as well. And so Keystone, I just consider as one small aspect of a broader trend that’s really positive for the American people.


Now how is that different from what you are representing? Here's a hint:

I’ve given some parameters in terms of how I think about it. Ultimately, is this going to be good for the American people? Is it going to be good for their pocketbook? Is it going to actually create jobs? Is it actually going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down?

And is it going to be, on net, something that doesn’t increase climate change that we’re going to have to grapple with?


And, then he indicates that Keystone can't meet the parameters:

When I travel to Asia or I travel to Europe, their biggest envy is the incredible, homegrown, U.S. energy production that is producing jobs and attracting manufacturing, because locating here means you’ve got lower energy costs.

So, our energy sector is booming ...

[Man from Pickens]

6. Welcome to the betrayed club

Sincerely,

Antiwar, Occupy Wall Street & Civil Liberties Voters

[phleshdef]

8. That isn't what he said... thats just what your short attention span told you when you were watching

[LawDeeDah]

9. that is not what he said. Read again.

[Ykcutnek]

10. Since you seem to be on a first-name basis with the President...

Try asking him.

[blkmusclmachine]

13. I don't trust Obama, either.

Betrayal

[treestar]

16. How are those issues related?

[AlinPA]

17. THe GOP and their judges are going to come on strong to eliminate any gay marriage in the states.

We will se them pass bills to eliminate SS, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps for the poor, the EPA, the Department of Education, and the teaching of science in schools. Religious wackos have taken over congress-what could happen?

[brooklynite]

24. Actually, none of that will happen:

Many of the Judges overturning Marriage bans were appointed by Bush

The GOP has never voted to eliminate the EPA or DOE, despite being in control from 1994-206 and 2010 to today. It's an applause line, but there's no desire to carry it through.

The GOP has campaigned that Obama wanted to cut Social Security. After Bush got burned, only a handful of fringe House members continue to advocate privatization. They may try to "reform" entitlements, but that's as far as it will go.

[Stads...]

28. A voice of reason...

Thank you for reminding people of the truth...I enjoy reading these threads, but was getting a little discouraged by what some believe to be true.

[Rhiannon12866]

30. Welcome to DU, Stads...

It's great to have you with us!

[AlinPA]

32. So you think the teabaggers in congress are not going to do some of the things I predict?

Those bastards are crazy and hate all minorities poor people. Minorities are at risk now with the GOP in charge of congress.
Your post ("reminding people of the truth&quot sounds like something from Fox 'news".

[Enrique]

18. i don't find your post to be sincere

[JoePhilly]

23. +1

[Sunlei]

19. The President has always said, keystone has to have the *permits in order* before they can start

refining Canadas shale oil into kerosene for export to china.

It was in 2009, when this President took office all the following changes took place & evolve through 2015- a huge upgrade to Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program

http://www.epa.gov/ghgreporting/reporters/subpart/y.html

It is the States, most are totally republican(corporation) controlled who allow the sludge to be transported through them. Those states ignore 'internet protesters' , as they always have.

[otohara]

20. Well What Did YOu Expect After Bloodbath

his term is almost over - you can hate on the next POTUS soon

POTUS Obama will not turn his back on LGBT - stupid stupid remark.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. OH NOES!! Wassa Imma doooo!!! OBAMMAA LIKKAA BUUSHHHYY!!!

[JoePhilly]

22. He's gonna put you in a FEMA camp.

[Andy823]

25. Really?

You don't trust him? Well I for one don't trust you!

[hedgehog]

27. +1

[blm]

26. Horsepoo - This election forces KXL on the table as GOP bargaining chip.

We knew it would happen. And we knew all the blame would be directed at WH and the Dems.

Anyone who claims to be against KXL and didn't vote supported the GOP's tactic.

[Darb]

29. The LGBT horse has left the barn, it will only get better for them,

and your interpretation of that remark I do not believe is accurate. I could surmise that he is saying that Keystone just doesn't make things any better, it is a small component, so I am going to deny it.

Let's let it play out.

[okieinpain]

31. he's always been pro pipeline, sad to say it. lgbt has nothing to worry about. n/t.