2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThanks a lot, Justice Ginsburg
You could have easily stepped down in 2013, when the Democrats still had control of the Senate. Pres. Obama could have appointed another justice with your ideals who was young and would have kept your seat in liberal hands for the next few decades. Now, the Senate is controlled by the same assholes who would lije for you to be replaced by another Samuel Alito or Clarence Thomas. And if the Repuucans recapture the White House in 2016, that's exactly who will replace you.
We, and our children will be paying the price for you stubbornness for the next half-century. How could you, Justice Ginsburg?
sketchy
(458 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)Could have fooled me.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)And it would have been 5 - 3 on the Court
rurallib
(62,423 posts)Plus there were enough half assed democratic senators that I wouldn't bet an Obama nominee would get a positive vote anyway.
Plus it is not a given Obama would nominate a true liberal.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)The President could have piked an attractive replacement and force republican senate candidates to say how they would vote on him/her if elected.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And I think it's ridiculous anyone would criticize her for staying. She's been amazing.
merrily
(45,251 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)any and all Obama SC appointments. The filibuster changes that the Dems forced through earlier specifically did not include SC appointments.
She made the smart move, knowing that the only hope for a better SC is in waiting until after 2016 when the pukes will have to defend far more Senate seats.
Now if we can convince the Democratic party to get off their collective asses and run decent candidates she may be able to prove her point.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)... 3 1/2 years and leave a vacancy on Supreme Court for that long! It would have been a PR disaster for the Rethugs, especially since Obama's approval ratings were decent in them the following his re-election.
Even if we do well in 2016, we at best wi have a VERY slim Senate majority. What makes you think the Rethugs wouldn't try to use the filibuster then?
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)Ted "If I Can't Do It My Way I'll Stop Everybody Else" Cruz and Rand "Look at Me" Paul: I can see them holding out until one of them is president.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)... to do that. Unlikely that many Republicans would have held out for 3 1/2 years over it with all the bad PR.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Not a single republican vote for a single Democratic measure ... More crazies in the clown car ...
I think you under-estimate/have misread the modern gop.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)There is no way they could have justified filibustering for that long. Folks like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Orrin Hatch, and blue staters like Kirk and Toomey would have eventually broken ranks.
riqster
(13,986 posts)The numbers don't support such an assessment.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Without election fraud that would absolutely dwarf that in 2004.....but then again, given the strange world we live in, perhaps that's not impossible, either.....
Mz Pip
(27,450 posts)She is far more aware of what a SCOTUS nominee would be up against than most of us.
sharp_stick
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)Not for supreme court justices. Filibuster is still in effect there.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Let's stop calling for her demise.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I hope she lives to be 100. But the fact is she is an 82-year-old cancer survivor with an extremely burdensome and taxing job. Thurgood Marshall held out as long as he could waiting for a Democratic president, but ultimately his health forced him to step down.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)She should have stepped down in 2013. It is too important to let personal pride get in the way. Anyone who thinks she is pursuing a strategy other than her own desires is kidding themselves. As is anyone who think the odds of getting a liberal justice to replace her are somehow higher now than in 2013.
The irony is, it is her own incredibly admirable legacy that she has put at risk.
Justices should have a mandatory retirement age. Say, 75 or 80.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I can't. So I won't spend the present and the future worrying about the past. I will work toward electing good people in 2016.
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)DWS only gets you so far.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...I just want to be sure that some o e like her replaces her on the bench, not a Samuel Alito.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)If it's not, it's embarrassingly stupid, perhaps the most embarrassingly stupid thing I've read all year.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Even if she never writes another of her well written, telepathic, truth telling, opinions. I wouldn't care if she were sitting comatose on the bench, she can stay until we can be sure, that the next SCOTUS justice is a progressive.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Shame on you.
I am quite certain that she is doing what she thinks best for all of us, just like she always has.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I'm pretty sure she is enough of a smarty pants to have figured out the options and the imperatives of replacing her position. Maybe she's even talked with Obama and strategized. She has been vocally disappointed in some recent SC decisions and realizes for sure what is at stake. Staying on, is no game it's a strategy.