2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOkay, so Elizabeth Warren isn't running. How about Kirsten Gillibrand?
I saw her on Colbert the other night, and she's dynamite! When she was first appointed to the Senate after Hillary became SoS, I was like, " Some obscure congressperson from (more conservative) upstate? " But she's been a very pleasant surprise; she's been a leader on LGBT issues, for instance.
So maybe there's hope after all for those of us who are ready for a woman President, just not that one.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)part of the Corp Dem Wing.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)conservative Democrat when she served in the House. She was given a liberal makeover when she was appointed to the Senate.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And things change.
People change.
That was then, this is now.
So, even though she may have said that, it doesn't mean that is the way she feels now.
In order to get elected to the House, you have a much smaller constituency to appeal to for their votes.
She has taken on the military over who should be prosecuting rapists within the military, along with Senator Boxer, so I think she has some good qualities.
Maybe the truth is, now that she is a Senator, she can afford to be more liberal.
Politics is a tricky game to play, after all.
In previous times, maybe she had to be pragmatic, and held back from being as liberal as she wanted to be.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)If not, Rand Paul or Jeb Bush will be the next President.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)to see a female challenge her. So, Bernie's looking real good.
msongs
(67,420 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)he will be running as a Democrat. He's basically guaranteed that.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)as long as there's an alternative to two family royalty and corporate candidates.
fifthoffive
(382 posts)If my choice is between a Clinton and a Bush, I'll use the write-in option. I see very little difference between Hillary and Jeb.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)Bernie. Bernie. Bernie. Bernie. Bernie.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)your dissatisfaction and constructive criticism from the Dem Wing of the party to the Corporate Wing..they hang up on you..as did Reids ofc earlier today and as did one of the house minority leaders (Durbin) and as did the DNC...
Now they're starting (or someone is) to Toss the Dem Wing under the bus.
Yet, while corp Dems failed--progs won...
There were so many progressive measures passed around the country from min wage increases-to justice reform-to Monsanto-to cannabis legalization-to ERA...and so on. I'm learning from my phone calls before they hang up that apparently..None of that matters because???? (I don't know)
Not that I expected any hugs, apologies and kumbaya moments, but I did expect some reflection and "lessons learned" from the raw reality of this mid term.
I was Wrong!
This is why good Democrats are leaving this party with their middle finger extended to the Democratic Leadership imo.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Ps-I haven't totally given up on Warren.
I already have a headache!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)A younger version who doesn't have as much baggage as Hillary does, seeing as how Hillary is still married to Bill.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)but I could live with Gillibrand....or Warren....or Clinton for that matter.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Don't know that much about her.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)of the time and she's 10-12 years younger than Clinton or Warren if that's a criteria (it isn't to me, but many on DU have recently decided otherwise). She definitely has the potential to go all the way
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Same donors, same base, same ideology/positions.
She's also not a terribly electric presence giving a speech.
Love her as my Senator, but not her time.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I really like her, for all of the reasons you just noted.
a kennedy
(29,674 posts)I'm still crossing fingers Elizabeth Warren WILL run..... I hope, I hope, I hope.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Gillibrand, I don't think so. Too much a Clinton Democrat
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)(as opposed to the center) I'd suggest Barbara Lee. Problem is, she doesn't have nearly the name recognition, as much as she deserves it.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Not for us, obviously, but for the chattering classes.
jastroeve
(1 post)You can vote for your 3 top picks for 2016 at Democracy for America. Gillebrand, Warren, Sanders, Webb, Schweitzer -- they're all there.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Welcome to DU! What a great time you picked to join us.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,537 posts)She really has made us proud. I agree that she's not a real liberal, but she is progressive on most important issues and she was elected and reelected in a district (NY-20) that had a long tradition of electing and reelecting prominent Republicans.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Many people here don't like Hillary because she's 'third way, 'DLC,' etc. Then they offer alternatives who are 'third way, 'DLC,' etc.