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mother earth

(6,002 posts)
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:16 PM Dec 2014

Did the Senate just open the U.S. up to ICC prosecution?

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There are two lines of thought on whether the ICC should pursue a formal investigation of U.S. officials for their use of torture in Afghanistan. First, there is the argument that the court is in too weak of a position to pursue the prosecution of citizens from great powers. The fear here is that the positive relationship the court worked so hard to earn shouldn’t be sacrificed for a fight that the ICC can’t win. The second viewpoint is that the court is in too weak of a position and thus it must confront abuses from great powers. The weakness of the ICC, in this view, stems from its unwillingness to challenge powerful states and its propensity to focus on weaker states in Africa. Strength will only come when the ICC fulfills its promise to transcend, rather than accommodate, global powers.

Unsurprisingly, U.S. officials aren’t thrilled with the prospect of an ICC investigation. Stephen Rapp, U.S. ambassador-at-large for war crimes issues, responded to the ICC’s report by insisting that, because the United States isn’t a member-state, the court has no right to investigate alleged war crimes committed by its citizens. But this is unlikely to resonate with human rights and international justice advocates, many of whom view it as another reiteration of U.S. exceptionalism.

With the release of the torture report, it will become increasingly difficult for the ICC not to press forward. Expectations that the court confront allegations of international crimes by Western states have never been higher and, as Eugene Kontorovich observes, the torture report “gives significant impetus and ammunition to the ICC’s investigation.” With the CIA’s dirty laundry now airing in the political winds, it will be nearly impossible for the court to reverse course and avoid confronting U.S. abuses in Afghanistan.

Still, advocates of accountability should not get too far ahead of themselves. The gears of justice at the ICC grind notoriously slowly. Moreover, the court’s endgame is not to prosecute U.S. officials. Instead, it is to galvanize domestic accountability for any alleged crimes committed by Western officials. Indeed, it is not within the ICC’s institutional interests to pick a fight it can’t win with the United States or incur the wrath of Washington’s resultant hostility. The prosecutor’s report on Afghanistan is thus not so much a threat to the United States as a signal to take justice for alleged torture seriously. Doing so would require going high up the political food chain, to those in the Bush administration “most responsible” for deploying torture as a means of war. The question is: Will the United States take the opportunity to finally pursue accountability for alleged international crimes committed by its citizens in Afghanistan or not? The world – and the ICC – is watching.
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mother earth

(6,002 posts)
3. It's been done, and it can't be undone. Our gov't has to take some sort of action beyond
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:25 PM
Dec 2014

"looking forward and not back".

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
4. Absolutely agree.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:32 PM
Dec 2014

"We tortured some folks" totally against our laws, our treaties and our principles and doing nothing about it except an executive order that can be reversed is totally unacceptable.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Fucking Bush and Cheney opened it up, the media helped, and now they desperately deflect.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:22 PM
Dec 2014

And international arrest warrant would be a good start, let the criminals be confined to domestic soil and face domestic justice.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. This will be the subject of some research ...
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:34 PM
Dec 2014

I am unfamiliar with the ICC process.

I keep hearing that we (the U.S. Government) should arrest and turn bush/cheney and the various CIA actors over to the Hague.

Wouldn't the Hague, first, have to call for them?

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
7. Clinton signed the Rome Statute in 2000, but hadn't sent it to Senate to be ratified. ** 'unsigned'
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

it May 6, 2002. He knew where his cabal was going to take this country...

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