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davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 08:57 AM Jun 2015

The bashing of progressives. Not bold, just stupid.

It is comical to see the bashing of progressives by one particular group on DU and the constant claims that the "liberal left" is going to cost us the election.

In the Youtube Debate in the 2008 primary Hillary Clinton said, "I consider myself a modern progressive."



So the next time you see someone bash a progressive, maybe remind them that Hillary Clinton actually claims to be a progressive.
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cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
1. A More Accurate Statement Would Be HRC Claiming To Be A Corporate Progressive
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:03 AM
Jun 2015

A people progressive would be a stretch considering that HRC backers are Wall Street and other Oligarchs and Corporations.

Friend of the people she is not - Friend of the 1% she is.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
3. I agree
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:11 AM
Jun 2015

But my point was that those that you see bashing progressives are the Hillary Clinton supporters. There is an odd hypocrisy about the whole thing.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
4. Maybe Not - HRC Supporters May Be Bashing That Which Is A Threat To Their Corporate Candidate
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jun 2015

From that perspective, bashing a true progressive candidate might make some sense.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
5. I take it as they are bashing any progressive
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

But then again that could be open to interpretation. You have a good point about bashing what is a threat though.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
13. I'm a 1%er (this came a surprise to me...I thought I was poorer) and Hillary is not my friend.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jun 2015

I would go so far as to say I will probably leave the Democratic Party for pastures lefter and greener if she's the 2016 nominee.

She will absolutely and certainly never have my vote...I view her as bad as the GOP and emblematic of everything wrong with the Democratic Party.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
16. You're welcome.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

I mean, I guess. Nobody has ever thanked me for being a bulwark of traditional progressive values against their degradation by corporatist Clintonite scum before. It means a lot to me.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
7. Did she say it with a progressive accent?
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jun 2015

Her messaging changes according to the audience. In her million dollar speeches to Goldman Sachs I doubt she claims to be a progressive.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
10. Yesterday I read the CEO of Goldman Sachs has said that both Bush and Clinton are okay with him. Of
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jun 2015

course the possibility is there that she might give him a big surprise, if she did become president.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
12. The CEO of Goldman Sachs is correct..and he likely doesn't care if it's Bernie either...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jun 2015

just because he didn't mention Bernie (because Bernie's not likely to be President) is not the point.

Goldman Sachs is capable of getting around any regulation, rule, or prosecution that any President can come up with...unless a strong Congress acts, they are immune.

Right now, you'd have to change about 2/3rds of the Congress to pass effective regulatory legislation. With Koch money backing conservative politicians, ALEC providing the laws, and gerrymandering - it's a pipe dream to think any President will have a big influence on the big banks.

At best, a President might get the AG to do a better job of investigating, might push through some loophole reforms, and might get some regulations in place on the local, corner banks. Since trillions are now offshore (and untouchable); the retiring baby boomers don't want to take down Wall Street 'cause that's where their retirement lies; and even the Chinese/Europeans don't want to take down Wall Street - well, GS has nothing to fear except some minor annoyance and bad press.

Hillary was smart enough to figure out a way to raise money to compete with the GOP super PACs, so maybe she has some plans. We'll see.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
14. "Taking down Wall Street" and "cutting it down in size" are two different things. Of course
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

change will come slowly. Right now the power of the business corporations has grown in
size to an inordinate degree. Today the corporations are considerably more powerful than
they were during Bush Jr.'s terms of office. Should the Republicans win the presidency and
retain both houses of Congress come Nov. 2016, I wouldn't be surprised if they should make
an all-out effort to kill democracy in our country altogether.

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